BrianS

In the red zone I'd rather have an OLine that can actually push a defense back. It feels like it's been forever since we could take a first and goal and just run it in.

If you're using running ability to separate QB's you're doing it wrong. There are five other guys on offense who should be running with the ball before you get to a QB. Yes, a QB who can break contain is nice, but I'd rather have a guy who makes the right read and puts the ball in the hands of a DJ Moore / Robby Anderson / CMC. In the case of Lance vs Fields, if we're really down to a slight difference in running ability, give me the guy who did against better competition.

While I agree that wins are the stat that matters, some general tendencies of top tier QB's are: 65% completion rate 2:1 TD to INT 2 TD / game 8+ IAY/PA None of those stats are definitive, but they can be indicative.

Did he seriously accuse us of having an offensive line? I mean . . . I guess if you exclude LT from your offensive line we might have made it up to "average" last year. Who needs a LT anyway.

Oh, like this guy? (I couldn't help myself)

There's a deep, secret part of me that hopes this is exactly what happens so that we can try to draft a QB next year. I'm not proud of it.

You can't pay two franchise tackles, it just doesn't work that way. If, as it seems, our intent is to pay Moton then we can't bring in a veteran franchise level bookend. We need to find that guy in the draft. Preferably in the first round, so you get five years to wind down Moton's contract before you pay new guy.

If something strange happens in the draft and one of the top four is still available, you take the QB. If the draft falls as most expect it to, then you BPA. We have so many needs that no matter who he is, the BPA will help us get better.

To be fair, you need to separate Rhule as a front office influencer / participant and Rhule as a coach. As a coach, I doubt ANYONE could have predicted the level of competence and fight our team showed last year. We were not an embarrassment. We were not an easy out (for the majority of games). As a coach, for a first year in the NFL, with an unproven staff and NO offseason, Rhule showed a lot of promise. Now, as a front office participant, I do agree. We've been very hit and miss during the Rhule era. Robby was great. Teddy, not so much. Rasul Douglas, pretty good. Tahir Whitehead, ugh. Etc. The problem is that QB is the most important position on the field. If you get it wrong, you screw your entire franchise. When you get it GROSSLY wrong, you can fix it with a high draft pick. When you get it MOSTLY wrong, ore PARTLY wrong, it's even worse because you don't have a pick high enough to fix it with.

That's nowhere near what it would cost to move to 5. Just to get close to moving with Cincy, we'd need to offer our 1st and 2nd this year. Going off strict value we might get a 3rd or 4th back from Cincy, but because other teams will be calling Cincy and because the pick is a QB, in your scenario we'll probably have to offer 1 & 2 and get nothing else or perhaps offer future considerations. I am not advocating for this scenario. Just saying that in presenting scenarios we need to be realistic.

No. Nothing like that. Brees was considered a good QB in San Diego. He took an injury to his throwing shoulder and was given VERY low chances of ever coming back. San Diego *also* had a known, valuable commodity in Phillip Rivers sitting on their bench. This situation is nothing like.

And yet we are here evaluating Teddy on those qualities every day. Someone please tell me what traits Jones has that Teddy does not. Arm talent is a relative wash. I might give Mac the nod in arm strength, but it ain't by much. So, once you set aside arm talent, what can Mac Jones do that Teddy cannot physically? Yea, exactly. Above the shoulders . . . Teddy is smart. Processes quickly. And checks it down. Mac might try to push downfield, but with his arm talent NFL defenses will be all over him. I just don't see enough difference between Mac Jones and TB5 to warrant a draft pick. I want someone to come and and do the things that Teddy can't do.

When healthy, the dude is a high end starter. Not elite, but high end. That's worth something. However, every other team can read the writing. JimmyG only has 2.8 million in dead cap, but 24 million in salary. The construction of that contract was genius. They own him for the next two years . . . if they want him. If not, he can be cut with basically zero consequences. Unfortunately, for us to trade for him, Teddy has to be part of the deal. Thus, Teddy + a first for JimmyG is probably about right. No, JimmyG alone isn't worth it, but to the Panthers, that's not the deal. If we were a team with cap space, maybe a third would do it. We're not that team.

Part of his lack of sacks could be that he doesn't have a Mike Rucker / Charles Johnson on the other side putting in strong reps. You can't give a QB any "out", because if there is one, good QB's will find it and elude the sack even though you managed pressure. That said, if Burns actually wants to get paid, he does in fact need the numbers. For all that I think he's excellent, the league pays for stats.

Not sure I agree with that. The Aggies averaged almost 33 points per game . . . ball control sort of implies a grind it out, 23 - 21 game. Maybe I'm still traumatized from the previous Panthers regime. I do agree, the Aggies did very well keeping the clock in their favor. But the offense was pretty balanced, more passes than runs overall. Very similar to Florida's offense for that matter.

Is there really serious thought that Fields or Lance can actually fall that far? I mean, I'm on board, I am just struggling to see how they fall to us.

Miami made the mistake of convincing themselves Tannehill was "middle of the road". I don't think he'll ever be elite, but he is a QB you can win with. He's a good QB. Joining the Titans just made it obvious. Darnold will never be that. He doesn't have RT's arm or decision making.

I'm a fan of numbers, as an IT analyst you kinda gotta be. Not sure that in the case of the Carolina Panthers it needed much analysis or data to see that our most glaring need, in a world of wins and losses, was a QB. I do find it interesting that moneyball says the Jets can win with Darnold and the most important thing they can do with the #2 pick in the draft is take a tackle. Following that up, the 49'ers take . . . a QB? They have a QB who went 13-3 in 2019. In that system. Computer modeling is never perfect . . . fortunately for us humans. What I would find interesting is to see the data on how previous draft prospects fared in relation to their pre-draft computed "value".

Don't hate the stat, but do learn to put it in context. Sure, Teddy gets his 70% completion rate. Great, we all know he's checking it down. Guess who also gets 70%? Aaron Rodgers. Deshaun Watson. Josh Allen (69.2). And those guys are rippin' it.

But . . . why?

So many people keep trying to compare Fields to players like Cam, Vick, RG3, etc . . . they are completely missing who Fields is. Fields can actually THROW the ball well. No, he doesn't have that absolute CANNON that Newton did . . . but he doesn't need it. He has an above average NFL arm. There should honestly be no physical questions about Justin Fields. My only concern for the player is whether he can put it all together above the shoulders. I've seen flashes. When he is on he can LIGHT IT UP. But I understand the questions and concerns. I like him. I'd like us to take him if he's available. Way more than Lance. If you have questions about Fields, you should have four times the questions about Lance. Lawrence and Wilson are the two who seem very clear. After that, waters get muddy.

Trask didn't look that good at the pro day tbh. This is a guy I like, but his pro day was up and down. He's definitely not a day one guy. His ball placement at all depths was inconsistent. His deep ball didn't look nearly as good as I thought it would. I didn't see enough demonstration of touch. I hope the young man does well, he has some good intangibles.

That draft is the dream for Carolina. No way it falls that clean. Atlanta is going to pick a QB, nothing else makes sense. "Matt Ryan!!11!11!" Dude is 37 by start of next season. AT BEST he's got a couple years left. The FO there needs to realize that if they've done their job, they won't be picking this high again (just like ours). They've got an aging QB on big money and an opportunity to get a young franchise guy. I just can't see Atlanta passing on a QB . . . ESPECIALLY if SF goes Jones. I also cannot see a scenario where Cincy, Detroit and Miami **ALL** pass on tackles. One of those three will take a tackle, with Cincy the most likely given their experience with Burrow last season.

Trading back is a pipe dream. The only reason someone will trade up (the other half of the "trade back" equation) is if there's a QB there. If the QB is there, we take him. If no QB on the board, the pick isn't going to hold the value. Take the LT. If you get to the point where your team is a QB away from winning it all, THEN you trade the farm to get your guy.

Yea, he makes some good points there. I do see a few questionable decisions. But look at the overall body of work here. Dude completed 73% of his passes this season. Let that sink in a minute. 73% completions. And he wasn't throwing a bunch of bubble screens and hitches. He was ripping it. No way this guy is available at 8. I don't think this guy is available at 3.