BrianS

I've seen a lot of talk in a number of threads about how "QB's from ________ college" never succeed in the NFL. I thought the argument was misguided, but I didn't have any data to back it up. Here we go. I looked at NFL QB's who had AT LEAST 60 wins in the league as being "successful". I put that list in the quote so the post wasn't super hard to read. Some thoughts after the quote. I apologize for the formatting, it's a little ugly at times, but the columns are . . . Name, Wins, Losses, Ties, Win % and College. When talking about successful NFL QB's, only 18 schools have ever produced more than one. What I've learned is that arguing that a college has never produced a successful NFL QB is a fools game. They can come from anywhere. Terry Bradshaw from Louisiana Tech won 68% of his games and four Super Bowls. Roger Staubach from Navy won 75% of his games and two Super Bowls. As an aside, had he not been a Navy officer, Staubach might have been in the running as one of the greatest to ever play, but losing five years of his career was just brutal. Peyton Manning from Tennessee won 70% of his games and has two rings . . . had he not been in the same generation as Brady, he would absolutely have won more rings. Augustana College, Southern Illinois, Eastern Illinois, TCU and Youngstown State have produced more successful NFL QB's than "big" schools like UNC, Nebraska, Florida, Minnesota or Rutgers. There is just no rhyme or reason to where a successful NFL QB comes from, or where one COULD come from. This is why drafting a QB is such a crapshoot. There is just no accounting for it. There is something in the makeup of a successful QB that defies understanding. Justin Fields or Trey Lance could easily succeed . . . or fail. But it won't be due to where they went to school. Likewise Davis Mills, Ian Book and Mac Jones can all easily fail . . . or succeed . . . despite the fact they are coming from schools with a history of producing multiple, successful NFL QB's. College makes no difference at all.

Doesn't fit our profile. He's 34 with an obvious performance decline.

Hey Teddy, how bout you complete some balls down the field to your incredibly fast and elusive receivers for 40+ yard TD's and we just skip the whole red zone all together?

The fact that we took Horn with both Darrisaw and Slater still on the board lets me know they were at least comfortable short term with the vets they already had.

Yep, I agree. I'm just hoping that Sam doesn't fall in some sort of middle ground. Be great or be Pickles.

His problem is that the entire league has witnessed his last three seasons. Any team would be happy to have him on a heavily incentive laden contract that starts somewhere around veteran minimum and no guarantees. He doesn't seem interested in that sort of deal. Honestly, he hasn't seemed all that interested in football for a while. I wish it wasn't that way. There was a time when he was nearly unblockable.

As Sam Darnold goes, so will we. This could be a borderline wildcard team, or top 8 pick again. All according to how Darnold fares.

It's gotta be a PR stunt . . . the dude is 33.

Instead of following a narrative, why not think for yourself? Listen to what the guy has to say, observe. JT watches far more film than any of us on here I'm very sure. He's actually played in the NFL. I don't think he's always right, is anyone? But I'd say he's probably far more likely to be right than I am. Or you are. Darnold will do what he will do. Some think he will fail, others think he will flourish. Either of those is fine so long as we don't end up somewhere in the middle. Fail or succeed, don't be "ok".

Wouldn't break my heart to see a couple of those every Sunday this fall.

Pretty sure it was a thread on here somewhere.

He still says he wants 24 last I saw.

Having the extra non-conf game at the end makes a lot of sense. It means that teams who rest their starters that week shouldn't impact tie breaking.

Pretty sure the Tremble pick, at least initially, was made to save a roster spot. Last year we carried both Alex Armah and Chris Manhertz. Tremble can take the place of both in this offense.

Rookies haven't signed yet. Well, ok, Hubbard JUST signed today, not sure it's reflected yet tho.

Did I miss something? Did Rhule not get $60 million over 7 years? That sounds to me like he has quite a while unless something changed. And two wins? I mean . . . how? We have one more game to play. We won five games last year and lost another 8 by one score or less. WITHOUT OUR BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER. For heaven's sake, PJ Walker won a game at QB for us. I am not sure you really understand our team very well.

Saints couldn't have had NEARLY enough ammo to jump that high.

I think "mortgage the future" is confusing people. The basic premise is that we had the opportunity to "draft" one of three players - in actual fact we could have had two of three - and we chose Darnold. That choice is one that Fitts and Rhule will have to live with / answer for if it goes badly.

Pretty much. We had the opportunity to draft one of: Fields, Jones, Darnold. We "drafted" Darnold. If he fails and one (or both) of the other two succeed, that's a black eye on what would otherwise be considered a successful offseason. Unfortunately for the front office, QB is the make or break position.

Little is cheap. I'm sure they'll give him an opportunity to stick, but the coaches nor the front office are in any way tied to him. He'll have to fight. If he doesn't, oh well. Best of luck.

And Chuba. He could really learn a lot from CMC.

I'm actually surprised more people haven't made that connection. Their physical similarity is eerie.

Not sure it will be good for us. He was making 9+ per season, and the dude is 29. That generally isn't the type of player we've been signing in the Rhule era.

That's what I did when someone said he had a terrible game versus Coastal this year. Watched the Zach Wilson footage for that and oddly enough, nearly all of Coastal's pressure came from the right.

That's not even a jump for Darnold. Thats 2019. He needs to move forward. 65% completion, 2:1 TD to INT, 3500+ yards.