BrianS

You are being swayed by past accomplishments. Pete's a defensive coach, and the Seattle defense has been average at best over the last four seasons. They have been 25th, 25th, 12th and 15th. That's not good, it's below average. Pete was a great coach, he put together a great run in Seattle. But he's lost his edge. I'm a lot more interested in finding the next Pete Carroll than trying to re-tread the existing one.

Statistically, our offensive line surrendered pressures and delivered pocket times on a even playing field with averages across the league.

Here we go again with that "fourth ranked defense" horse crap. It's maddening. Yards surrendered mean absolutely nothing. We were 29th in points against - the only stat that matters for a defense! Other stats can tell you a story, but points against tell you whether you're a contender or not. Of the top 10 scoring defenses, eight are in the playoffs. Evero was never going to have a great year here. We switched systems. Then injuries happened. I'm not laying the blame for it solely at his feet. I'm simply trying to have an honest look at it. Our defense was not great. His defense in Denver was not great (14th in points against). Certainly those don't sound like the credentials of a dude that becomes your head coach. Stats aren't great and they don't show any consistency over time.

Remember, the knock on Weinke was his age. Played baseball a couple years I believe. I never could understand how he didn't make it. He's now a really successful QB trainer apparently.

You can't ditch Moton, in any scenario. The restructure we did with him killed it. We still owe the guy 24 million guaranteed, plus his salary. If we do anything (cut or trade) with him before June 1, it's a 24 million hit to our cap this year. Do anything after June 1 and it's 12 this year and 12 next. It's just not a good move.

I don't get it. After three of the most disastrous drafts in franchise history, and free agency classes which have managed to bring in players that don't fit our system . . . we want to bring in more people who don't know how to evaluate talent? What am I missing?

You should have stopped at good man - he is. His team just finished 32nd in the league in scoring defense. That's not the guy I want guiding our defense.

Been saying for a while now that Weinke was the closest Panthers comp for Bryce. Unfortunately, looks like we'll be stuck with him next year as well since we decided it was more important to rebuild the Bears than our own team. Thanks Tep / Fitt!

I think his pressure stats are loaded with false positives. Unfortunately, we've all watched Burns play. We've seen him get ridden just past the QB too many times. We've seen him flat out whiff. That's technically a pressure. I'm not sure what value Burns coming around the corner for pressure really has.

Evero didn't light it up here. Some of that is due to our switch to a 3-4, certainly. But ToP wasn't a huge issue. Our offense averaged 28:33 per game in ToP. Yes, it was last in the league but it wasn't a massive problem. For example, they were only 2 minutes less possession than Philly, who were 11th. Washington was first in ToP . . . how'd that work out for them? And the most important stat of all: We ended 29th in scoring defense. Yes, we've had injuries. That's a big deal. Yes, we switched systems. So I don't lay all that awful at Evero's feet, but he's not been the "shining light" some would like us to believe. And yes, despite having more ToP than any other team in football, the Washington Riveras managed to have the league's worst scoring defense. Well played WTF, well played.

If you want to be paid like a top player, you gotta be a top player. Over his career, Burns has been: 40th 14th 21st 8th 37th In sacks each season. So an average of 24th. He's "good", but not "great" or "top". I'll give him 20 per over 4 years, with 30-35 guaranteed.

And it's not a weak one either. While Reich was here, we averaged 15 points per game, with him gone we averaged 10. Not saying Reich was the answer, but the staff just didn't have chemistry at all.

Dear Mr Burns, You have so far in your career earned nearly 30 million dollars. If injuries were a concern as they relate to future earnings perhaps you might have considered investing some of that money in an insurance policy.

Unfortunately, no. Our defense has not been good this year. Only two teams have given up more points per game than we have. This is our first year in the 3-4, so it should be expected, but don't get it twisted. We have not been good.

This next coaching hire doesn't matter. He'll be here a season and a half, tied to Bryce. When BY is a clear failure they'll ditch this coach and draft a QB again. Sorry. I wish I could see it differently, but I don't.

This was me. I was a Stroud guy, but accepted that we were going to draft Bryce after pro day. I'll still root for Bryce to succeed next year, I just don't see the path. But serious props to Stroud. I thought he was the better prospect, but what he showed in the Georgia game was actually who he is in the NFL and I definitely didn't see that coming. Pickles isn't the comp, it's Weinke. Pickles was measurably worse than BY.

Missing the forest for the trees. Yes, Dalton threw 58 times. Don't look at the number, look at what the numbers actually boiled down to. Almost 7 air yards per attempt versus BY's 5.0. Dalton's numbers put him in the same statistical category as Jalen Hurts, Mahomes and Josh Allen this year. I'm not comparing him to those guys as a package! Just saying that's what his numbers looked like in our only exposure to him in our offense! "But the Seahawks are a terrible pass defense!" Actually, they are middle of the pack. But let's say they are bad for arguments sake. You know who's worse? The Bucs (178). The Jags (112). The Texans (235). The Lions (247). The Bears (185). The Vikings (204). Yea, Bryce has played some terrible pass defending teams too and not gotten within 100 yards of what Dalton did. In an offense that is arguably more productive with Frank Reich gone! By way of comparison, at his season average of five yards per attempt, BY would have needed to throw it 72 times to hit that same 361 yards. BY's season average puts him 33rd in the NFL this year among players with at least 6 starts. Panthers history time class! Who here remembers Teddy Two Gloves? Checkdown Teddy? Yea, well, in TB5's one season here he averaged 7.2 air yards per attempt. He threw for 3700 yards, 15 TD's and 11 INT's in 15 games going 4-11. I've seen people compare Young to Pickles. That's a little harsh. Pickles was worse. You know who a REALLY GOOD Panthers comp for BY is? Chris Weinke. Check it out: Were we too quick jumping ship on Weinke? I sure don't think so. Man, those stat lines look awfully similar and scary to me.

Hold up a sec there. The Red Rifle threw for 361 yards in that game. That's more than just a respectful day, that's a great freaking day. A whole season at that rate is over 6000 yards. A whole season at HALF that rate is 3000 yards, and our starter isn't even going to get to that mark. Dalton's season long pass this year is 47 yards. BY's is 48. Dalton's Air Yards per Attempt is 6.91, while Young's is 5.0. This team would have won 6 or so games with Dalton. It's fine that we didn't do that. We had a rookie QB we needed to learn about. We've now learned. But let's not pretend the offense would not have been significantly better with Dalton running it. Bryce will get a chance next year, but he's going to need to show improvement. My concern is how will he do that? It sucks, but it seems clearer all the time that we got dazzled by a test score instead of watching the actual full game tape on Bryce.

Fitterer is safe. If you wanted him gone, there was no reason to keep him around until now. In fact, there would have been benefit in getting rid of him earlier in the season to allow the new GM to get his staff in place to start the offseason evals. I hate that I feel that way, but I do.

Patrick Mahomes has OTHERWORLDLY arm talent, he can get away with things that BY will never be able to. And if you think that's what PM does as a course, then all you're doing is watching highlights. Watch all his snaps. He typically plays with good base and in rhythm until the structure of the play isn't working. People tend to forget how good that offense was even before Mahomes. In 2017, Alex Smith (yes, that Alex Smith) threw for 4000 yards and 26 TD's. They went to the playoffs three straight years with him at QB. He was 31 - 15 those three years. That offense was already great, and then Mahomes made it otherworldly. So, the actual statistics are all over the forums now. His pressure rate and pocket time are middle of the pack. He's not experiencing anything more or less than an average NFL QB experiences. That's the job of an NFL QB. Stand in the pocket, take the hits and make the plays. It's not about what I would do, I'm not an NFL QB. It's not about what last Sunday was, it's about what the year has been. The year has been a bad one for the team, but Bryce Young has not been exposed to anything that other NFL QB's this year haven't also experienced. You can find the threads on the forum if you care to see the actual data, but since you brought up Mahomes, he's a great example. His pressure rate is 22.7%. Bryce Young, 22.6%. Yes, I see that vet versus rookie argument coming a mile away. Will Levis pressure rate was 27.3%. I still want Bryce to succeed. It makes my team better, faster. I have serious doubts that he will, and I strongly believe that anyone who thinks otherwise is wearing blinders. I can root for the guy but still keep my eyes open to the reality of the situation.

Oh, I'm not saying I think it will happen, only that it's what he NEEDS. It's very strange that his footwork has degraded like it has. If you go back and watch in 2021, he was still super toesy (clearly his height has always been an issue) but his footwork was much quicker and more confident. He was actually getting back quickly and keeping the best base possible given his height. Watch the Florida 2021 tape for example. I'm not saying his footwork has ever been great, but it's definitely much worse now than at any point in the past.

Baker is going to kill us. He's a pretty good QB when put in the right situation. Tampa isn't ideal for him, but it's a heck of a lot better than what we handed him while he was here.

Multiple outlets have reported that the Carolina job is considered the least desirable. No surprise. We talk about top candidates like we have a prayer. We're going to get the coach who has no other options remaining. It wouldn't surprise me if all our candidates take other jobs after the first round of interviews and we have to start over.

I would argue that experience is not BY's problem at this point. He's had all the necessary experience of a rookie season. One more game isn't going to flip a switch. What he needs is an offseason with a QB coach who will be on his (*@ about fixing his mechanical issues.

I may need to make it my crusade, but this narrative that we haven't given Bryce enough time to do his thing has gotta stop. Once again, here are the actual pressure rates and pocket times: Teams who give up a pressure rate within 2.5% of our Oline are teams like: San Francisco, Houston, Detroit, Cleveland and Kansas City. How are Purdy, Stroud, Goff, Flacco and Mahomes doing? Yea, they seem fine. 23 out of 32 teams show pocket time with one tenth of a second of what we have. That's more than two thirds of the league! This isn't the issue. Our Oline isn't perfect, I won't make excuses for them. But BY has not helped them AT ALL. NFL pass games are HEAVILY based around timing, which is tied to footwork. His footwork and therefore timing have been atrocious all year. Many quality NFL QB's get the job done with pressure rates and pocket times like what we provide. Including rookies like Stroud and Levis. No more excuses. Bryce must get way better.