BrianS

And yet, we have identical records since that SB. 39-58.

And none of those names are people I'd take over the guy we already have.

Kinda. A better example might be to look at the Browns history of drafting 1st round QB's over the last 25 years or so. They've drafted Baker Mayfield, Johnny Manziel, Brandon Weeden, Brady Quinn and Tim Couch. Statistically speaking, they should have "hit" on a couple of those. Heck, look at their picks in other rounds over that time period: Dishone Kizer, Cody Kessler, Colt McCoy, Charlie Frye, Luke McCown and Spergon Wynne. I mean, come on! Just sheer dumb luck at some point should have gone their way. But it didn't. This is where coaching and organizational quality come into play. The truth is that some of those guys probably were "good not great" QB's. Unfortunately, the overall situation in Cleveland doomed them. QB is the hardest position in professional sports to play. It's the hardest position in professional sports to predict. It doesn't invalidate the general statistical trend. Generally speaking, if you want the best opportunity for the most advantageous outcome you need to draft your QB in the first round. Generally speaking, having a pick toward the top of the draft is more important since the league has placed such an emphasis on offense in recent history. It's pushed teams to select QB's earlier in the draft since the difference between having a good QB and not having one can't be as easily overcome in the league today.

Statistically speaking, QB's selected in the first round hit at a rate of about 50%. Which isn't wonderful . . . until you consider that QB's selected in every other round hit at a rate of about 10%. Coaching and system play a huge role in this, yes, but the delta between round 1 and all other rounds is so high that you simply can't ignore it.

On waivers. I strongly suspect that had he cleared waivers, other teams would have gone in. It's been widely speculated that the Rams put in the claim specifically to block him from going to the 49ers. With the Rams position in the waiver order, no one else was going to have a shot.

Our next coach MUST have a proven record of developing a QB. There is no more important trait in the league today. I saw it earlier in the thread somewhere, the idea that there are three classes of QB's: Great ones, who will be great anywhere. Bad ones, who will be bad anywhere. And the much larger middle group of QB's who can be anything from terrible to terrific based on the coaching situation they fall in to. We need to be sure we get that coaching RIGHT. It gives us a much higher chance of succeeding at QB, and therefore in the league as a whole.

I hope we don't continue with Darnold. There are far too many options hitting FA this year. Brady, Garoppolo, Jones, Brissett, Smith, Jackson, Dalton, White, Minshew . . . etc. Yes, we need to draft a guy we believe in, but there is no reason we can't come up with something better to fill the gap.

They drafted Malik Willis, the guy with potentially the most upside in the draft. They sat him behind a competent veteran who is painfully familiar with maturing as a player in the NFL. The Titans have never had a losing season under Robinson. He fired the coach who gave the Titans their first back to back winning seasons since 2007 and hired the guy who took them to the AFC Championship where Mahomes finally ended their season. Look at the QB's who have knocked them out since 2016: Brady, Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow. That's like murderers row of QB's.

Baker wasn't good here. In fact, he was at his all time worst. He has to own that. Rhule did not put Baker into an offense tailored to his skill set. He - along with his "rockstar" OC - has to own that. Our offense has been historically awful since the start of the Rhule era. Is it QB? Is it coach? I'd say it was both. Trying to place full blame on either is pointless.

Because of the contract they gave him. They are stuck with him until 2026 at least - and that still gets them 31 million in dead money. The contract was 161 million guaranteed.

I don't see it on McKee. He's running an RPO offense out there, and he's "ok". He definitely doesn't have a lot of help around him, but he's not mobile AT ALL. Get him off his spot and he's not very effective. His decision making is also a bit on the slow side. We already have a young QB from an RPO background on our roster. McKee looks like a less twitchy, slower version of Matt Corrall.

The problem with the tweet is that it assumes that everyone accepts these things listed as "luck". I'm not sure that's the case. Opponent dropped interceptions - Are your receivers contesting these? Good teams have receivers who do it and coaches who teach it. Is your QB just throwing too many to the other guys, creating excess opportunities? Bad QB's do this. Either of these can skew such a stat to show that you're "unlucky". Opponent dropped passes - are your DB's in tight coverage making the catches contested? Good coaching and DB's heavily affect this stat. I'm not talking about pass break ups here, that's different. But just being in close proximity to a receiver can force mistakes. And that's not luck. Opponent kicks - Hey, here's a thought, don't let them get in a position to attempt the kicks. Good defenses do this. As a team, we are 20th in the league in number of FG attempts against per game. As a team, we are 21st in the league in TD's allowed per game. Overall, we're 17th in scoring defense. That seems about right. But it isn't luck. Fumble recoveries - While statistically speaking, fumble recoveries are a coin flip, there are other factors. Are you creating a lot of fumbles on defense? That's coaching and execution. Remember the impact of Charles Tillman here? Not luck. What about ball security on offense, do we have players who fumble more often than they should? Not luck. Awareness and coaching can affect this as well. This is the closest thing to luck on there, but it's not a slam dunk.

Being the "best" of this sorry group is nothing to write home about, nor is it anything that should guarantee a paycheck in 2023.

The guy is not wrong. Ravens are 2-4 this season when opponents score more than 20 points. Ravens are very inconsistent on offense. Now that's not all on Jackson, but if the Ravens put him on the books for 250 million what makes anyone believe the team will become MORE consistent? You just lost all your ability to sign vets, so you're depending on your drafted players on first contracts. The absolute definition of inconsistent.

Defensive coaches are a dime a dozen. Wilks is that. The landscape is littered with Steve Wilks caliber defensive coaches. Dom Capers is still coaching for heavens sake! In this league, creating and keeping an offensive identity is far more important than defense. The only way to do that is to make sure your head coach is the one who is bringing that identity. You need an offensive minded coach to set you up for long term success.

We don't have to give up ANY picks for Lamar Jackson. He's an unrestricted free agent after this season. However, I also don't think we should pay him. I think the QB market has finally reached a tipping point. Teams are starting to see what happens when you commit too much of your cap to a QB. The impending retirements of Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, etc are going to open up the playoffs to a number of teams with only "good" QB's. We've spent a lot of seasons now with some generational QB's in the league. Seems like we may be entering a patch where there aren't very many, if any, truly generational QB's in the NFL. And frankly, it will probably make things more interesting.

Think of it this way . . . if Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes suddenly became Panthers . . . how good would our offense look?

What on earth leads anyone to believe Cade Mays is the future? He's played a grand total of 20 snaps all season - exactly one snap on offense. In fact, the only rostered O lineman with fewer snaps played this year is Larnel Coleman who we swiped from Miami's practice squad last month. He's on our team so I hope he succeeds, but there is no evidence at all that he has a future at this point. Certainly not someone you bet your future on if there is a chance you can keep a guy like Bozeman around on reasonable money.

Of all the guys on this staff Campen is the one I most want to see retained. Our OL isn't all time, but they are more than adequate to the task. They are playoff caliber.

Baker can still reach the mark. Based on the first 10 games of the year, our offense should have around 1020 snaps over the course of the year. So far, Baker has played 315 snaps. If he gets all the snaps the rest of the year he would end with about 750 snaps. Just over the number required to hit the 4th/5th round mark.

Trey Lance is not an unknown to that staff. They know him. They have two camps with him. They have two preseasons with him. They have all of last year watching him in practice. All of the past off season. That staff, right or wrong, seem to believe they have their guy. Negotiations this offseason with Jimmy G will tell us even more. With Corral, we have one TC - and not even a whole camp. Certainly not a preseason. He won't practice again until OTA's. And he'll have a new staff. The two situations could not be more different. Bottom line is you trust your evaluation. If your evaluation as a staff says that a guy is a franchise QB, and you don't have a proven one on roster, you draft the guy. Round projections and draft slot is all a smokescreen at this position. It's about evaluation and need when it comes to QB.

I forgot he called that. That man has had one hell of a career. He can say whatever he wants at this point, he will go down as one of the greatest sports broadcasters ever.

Hopefully someone has already pointed out what a made up stat this is. Using age as the marker is silly. Look at seasons played. By the end of his fourth season, Peppers had 40.5 sacks. By the end of his fourth season, Reggie White had 70 sacks. By the end of his fourth season, JJ Watt had 57 sacks. By the end of his fourth season, Myles Garrett had 42.5 sacks. By the end of his fourth season, Von Miller had 49 sacks. If Burns continues his current pace to the end of the season it will be his best season on record, and he'll finish in double digits for the first time with 12. And he'll still be behind all of those guys. He's good, not great. He has "great" in him, but he won't get there. Not with us as a DE. I'd be terrified of him in a Steelers shirt, because he'd be an OLB.

No. He's not. A good backup takes care of the ball and makes safe decisions. The very things PJ doesn't do. Teddy Bridgewater is a good backup. He doesn't win games, but he doesn't throw them away either.

Some would say it was coming. Jackson hasn't played a full season since his rookie year.