BrianS

Did he though? Or are we only remembering what he looked like once he had those weapons. Brees threw for 4400 yards his first year in NO . . . with a rookie Marques Colston as his top target. Brees didn't *need* weapons, but yea, he had them. So far, BY has shown the ability to be a marginal starter in the league. That's it. Where we picked him is no longer relevant. Is "marginal starter" our organizational goal? I hope not.

If he is so fragile that one bad game ruins his confidence, then he is not the QB we need.

I'd say it's for sure he sees it worse than BY9. Fields has every single physical tool you could ever want in a franchise QB, and I know that his development hasn't been good. But he just doesn't see things. Sam Darnold at least saw ghosts . . . Fields doesn't even see that. I was high on Fields coming out, but he hasn't done anything yet to justify it and it doesn't look like he will.

A slightly heavier Chinn would have been a GREAT Will LB in a 4-3. Free to chase the ball? He'd be a monster in the run game, and good enough to cover most RB's out of the backfield. I'm glad he's finding success now in Washington, he's a good dude.

We've seen good stuff from Bryce? When? Other than Green Bay last year. We've seen BY display the ability not to beat us by making bonehead errors. We've seen that twice. It's far from good, and far from consistent. And the bottom line is, that capacity - even if it's consistent - is your baseline for a backup in the NFL. It would be far better for the franchise if BY flipped a switch and became what a first overall pick should be. Right now he's looking up at good backups and hoping to get there.

I do agree that our rookies are looking good. They definitely could look even better if the QB play was even average NFL level. Nobody is gonna get a ton of yards when your QB is throwing for 150 per start. Yea, BY is averaging 150 yards per start this year. Which is good for . . . wait for it . . . wait for it . . . dead last in the NFL! Gardner (*@$ing Minshew is averaging 200 per start!

Unfortunately, yea. A lot of media talking heads are pushing that these last couple games is Bryce figuring it out and becoming an NFL QB. It's ridiculous and I don't understand it, but it's there. It's like all these things that are so carefully picked over when evaluating other QB's are just completely ignored when talking about BY9. It's just beyond me.

Legette body catches too much for my comfort. To the point he will jump to body catch a ball when he could just reach up and grab it. Not sure if that's a fixable trait - legit not sure, I just don't know of any data on it in either direction.

I don't get it either. The Giants were averaging 15 points per game prior to this weekend. Dead last in the league in scoring offense . . . and we managed to let them exceed their average.

You know what backups should do? Don't turn the ball over and let the team carry them. You know what first overall picks should do? Pick up the team and carry them. Everyone must decide which fits BY9.

Something I find interesting is that you are more likely to find successful players as UDFA's than you are to find them with a single pick in any round past 3. Those 3rd round compensatory choices? Largely worthless. Yes, I get it, there are a lot more UDFA's than there are drafted players in later rounds. Basically, if you're fishing for starters you are simply not going to find anything in Rounds 4 - 7 with any regularity.

When they initially lost Collins they still had Diggs to take up the slack. Now all they've got is Dell and he's a FANTASTIC #2, but he's not a true 1. I have no idea what happened to their OLine, but it has been abysmal this year.

I disagree. Our 2015 line was quite good with the exception of Remmers, who was average. He got a bad rap because our staff asked him to single handedly block one of the most dominant defensive players in the league in the biggest game of the year. I do think we could have / should have done more on that front - of course - but he did have a good line at least that year.

DeAndre Hopkins is 100 times the player that Johnson is, even at his age and he was had for a 5th. We'll be lucky to get a 6th for him.

OP does have a point, sort of. But the snowball started down the hill way before a Reich / Darnold decision. Using the 03 season as a guidepost isn't realistic either - the league is completely different now. The inevitable problem is that you do need a really good QB to win a SB these days. At any one time, there are probably only 15-20 good QB's in the league. Thus, the problem the Panthers have. They don't have one.

I would not be upset if we hired Hurney as head of college scouting. He certainly failed at a lot of the duties required of a GM, but man we had a lot of good players come through under his watch.

Correct. And additionally, by rule you can only trade away up to three years out. You can't trade a pick five years out. People saying that this was a long ways out are just wrong. Sure, they didn't offer an immediate 1st . . . because they didn't have it to give.

We shouldn't look at this from the perspective of "Can Dalton be our guy?" That was never part of the equation. This was simply an opportunity to see if the rest of the puzzle was coming together. And we got an answer: It is. With even competent QB play, we look like we can compete. Great. Canales and his staff are pointing the ship in the right direction. That's not going to fix everything. Our defense is still nearly devoid of talent. Our receivers not named Johnson or Theilen are still learning. All we know at this point is that there is a glimmer of hope out there for us. That beats the heck out of the Rhule era.

That little bit right there is a very important piece of the puzzle. Because BY can't stand in, and is forced to move, it throws off the timing of the pass game. Timing is incredibly important in NFL offenses. Footwork is tied to the routes in order to make the timing and progression work.

I mean, if you want to talk about ripple effects, you have to go all the way back to Bridgewater. The entire wave of awful that overtook the franchise started when we (Tepper) ditched TB5 after one season. Remember when we thought TB5 couldn't throw deep? Good times my friends, good times.

It would be nice if we could unload him . . . but I don't have much hope.

I think we all expected Kuechly . . . but Kalil was nominated? He was a Panther all-timer for sure, but I didn't realize he had that sort of recognition league wide.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Plummer get a couple games. I know. Preseason. Against backups. But he did show improvement. If he even turns into a serviceable backup, that would be amazing. That list of FA's is bad. Like. Real bad. Dalton might be the best of them, unless Darnold has figured it out after hanging out with Kyle Shanahan and Kevin O'Connell.

If Darnold balls the whole season we won't be able to afford him. Darnold's physical gifts have never been in question, it's all about what's between his ears. If Kevin O'Connell manages to sort that out, Darnold is a franchise QB. And it's terrifying that it might happen. Don't forget Darnold spent a year in San Francisco with Shanahan as well. He's got some great coaching the last couple years.

This is worse. We moved on very quickly from Clausen. It was "Oh, he bad." And then there was Cam.