Monty83

I understand why our staff would be good for AR, but for our team, I would want the highly accurate QB who can step right in an excel in his 5-yr rookie window with our staff (which will be hard to keep in place to begin with). Them having to build up a guy from scratch especially to help him become more accurate can be a long process even if it works. Give me the guy who is more prepared to step in immediately and produce.

If that is the case for our coaches, they need to trade back and pick up a first next year from someone. You either suck enough to get your QB or you pay up in draft capital. I’m fine with either, but my goodness…. Pick one and don’t be mediocre.

Getting Carr defeats the purpose of the staff we put together in my opinion. We invested in a staff that can build and develop a more polished QB quickly with a higher ceiling than Carr. One we can benefit from being on a rookie deal for 5 years. We built this staff for the Young/Stroud/Williams/Maye’s of the world. We just have to remain disciplined as we try to get one.

I hate Matt Rhule and his selection so much right now. Because we feel the need to rush this process now. We have zero patience. We have the staff we should’ve had before. Either go all-in and trade up for YOUR guy or trade out of 9 and do the same thing next year with two first rounders. DO NOT get a guy just because he was there.

He’s the one worth moving up for. If we can’t secure him, I’m all about thinking about 2024 and positioning ourselves for one of the top QBs there. But we absolutely should be looking to target the guys we want with our new coach and not just drafting whoever is there.

The positive with being a local guy with local connections to alot of the infrastructure of the team is that it definitely can shorten and mitigate alot of the risks with a first-year HC. It should be the primary basis for a hire, but it’s a huge advantage. He checks alot of boxes. I’m onboard.

Panthers draft capital if they made the Burns trade: 2023: 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5 2024: 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 5, 6 2025: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7

IMO, having that many first rounders on rookie deals for 4-5 years enables you to build fairly cheaply and evaluate who you do want to actually pay and for how long. HUGE miss for the Panthers.

The issue isn’t trading away what would be a talented player, it’s paying a talented player a big contract on a timeline for us to not be good. I don’t mind paying someone with everything lined up, and draft picks are how you get lined up.

You’re going to hear a lot of people compare him to Justin Herbert. And like the good NFL QBs he can make plays with his feet and has a great arm, and like the GREAT NFL QBs, he doesn’t turn the ball over and knows how to move the chains with high accuracy on 3rd down. And yea, I’d give up the farm to get him in 2024, which includes skipping on a QB in 2023.

To be honest, our 2nd biggest need should be whatever our next coach says it is. We can try to take a 30,000 ft approach to the team and say, “we need this, and need that”, but no team is great at everything in football. You have to be excellent at certain things to mask your deficiencies in other areas. If that’s going heavy on offense as a PRIORITY, then so be it. Doesn’t mean we completely neglect other things, but trying to spread everything evenly based on need is a quick way to mediocrity.

I believe in tanking when you are changing EVERYTHING. Which includes the coach. We don’t have a winning culture and that culture won’t be set until AFTER we get the new coach, so it’s actually a perfect time to tank when you won’t have the same leadership there at the end of the year.

Better than being the 5th or 6th worst.

You hit the nail on the head in the middle with the lack of investment by front offices in OLs BECAUSE they feel the QB can run out if trouble. It contributes to those QB struggles.

I’m hoping today was a whole charade to get the league believing we want him at 6 to drive his stock up and get one of the tackles to drop to us. Pickett reminds me of the old kid in class who has all the answers to a test, not because he’s that great but he’s taken it 5 times. Hell, he’s practically closer to being able to run for President than he is taking the SATs. We don’t really gain anything if the whole world knows we want him. Hopefully a smokescreen.

On This Just In, one of the draft insiders said it would be a fireable offense to draft Pickett or Willis in the Top 10. Hasselbeck also made mention that the comparison from Pickett is Kirk Cousins, and who is ever sitting around with a 1st round grade on Kirk Cousins. This pretty much wraps up how I feel about Pickett. If you don’t shine during a pro day, you shouldn’t be drafted at all.

I think Fitterer realizes that football is primarily a year to year exercise with much of the team outside of your key components. SO much happens via injury and performance YOY that maintaining as much flexibility as possible is most important. Players are responding to these short deals also. The fact we are generally excited about so many of the guys we got and they are ON 1-year deals proves that point.

I honestly don’t see the point in drafting a QB who isn’t exactly what we want. If you’re just going to draft Pickett because he’s more ready, does he have more potential than a FA QB? Then, skip him. I’m not really big on Willis either. If we find an LT, I say we trade the pick for a later one and add another 1st round in 2023.

Get him and trade out of 6. Pick up a lower 1 or get a 2 and pick up a 1 next year. Sign a FA QB.

My fear isn’t being bad. My fear is being mediocre. At least being bad you have an opportunity to pursue a game changing talent at QB in the draft. If we don’t love any of the QBs, then don’t draft them. The second you draft them, you make the play that you have to try them out for a period of time, where you waste years off of the guys you’ve paid money to. Get OL help or trade back and get more picks. We also need to acknowledge a changing landscape where top QBs will entertain leaving and going other places. That makes having high picks and being prepared to take on such a talent invaluable.

I actually think he would’ve done the opposite. A lesser QB gives the excuse that they need to develop or need pieces around him to be more successful. If it didn’t work with Watson, the blame wouldn’t be his, but Rhule’s.

I don’t care if we are Deshaun’s or anyone else’s “favorite” or not. It’s business. He just has to be willing to come. No one drafted and most times free agency get to go to their favorite team. Just a team available they are willing to go to. I’m sure Cam’s favorite team would’ve been Atlanta too, but it doesn’t work like that. For those who think we’d give up too much to get him, that’s laughable. If you don’t want him because of his problems, cool. But there is a reason most teams are willing to pay that price for a Top 5 QB talent. It’s definitely worth it. We’re worried about losing talented guys at other positions and picks when the QB position is the only one that literally covers over shortcomings other areas. Joe Burrow covers over the fact the OL sucked in Cincy. The mistake people make is thinking that the QB will cover over incompetence in the front office. It will not. You need that competence to improve the shortcomings WHILE you have the top guy. That’s where Houston sucked. A known Top 5 entity at 26 years old at the QB position in football is about the biggest no-brainer there is. We’ll waste five picks trying to find a guy who isn’t that. And the players we lose would be replaced in the draft or in FA with guys who want to play for a Top 5 QB who gives them a chance to win. Our problem is we have yet to get past the lack of competence in our front office. We’ve let inept hires hire more inept hires and we’ve layered our suckitude. Even if we feel building a team is better, you have to trust the folks you put in charge of that.

It’s not the act of changing coaches that prevents the winning though. It’s hiring the wrong coach. Then keeping the wrong coach. We will pay and continue to pay for that regardless of if changing coaches has a negative correlation. What gets the press and the criticism is often the final result of an event, when the reality is many important things fail due to a series of bad decision-making that preceded the event.

If Deshaun is anything like most of the media, he may have forgotten that the Panthers were supposedly in the running.