UnluckyforSome

The thing is, Wilks punted from midfield, when there was no tomorrow, in a must-win game, a playoff elimination game. I'm sure he thought to himself, we have a 14 point lead, and my defense is going to be good enough to stop them the rest of the game. Except it wasn't, and by the way, here's Brady and Evans, again and again and again. 

We have seen that song and dance so many times as fans, and just because it's familiar, doesn't make it right.

8 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I ain't even mad. I expected that they would lose early on. What I didn't expect was the team to look so bad. They play as if they never practice.  This is some of the worst game planning and play calling I've seen this team make.

I think you are just feeling the cumulative effect. They've been bad the entire time. When they didn't look like a real NFL team in preseason, most people scoffed and said "blah blah blah we're talking about practice?" and then when they looked bad against Atlanta it was "1st game jitters, and Atlanta is supposed to be pretty good, and it was on the road too." 

They've been the same crummy, awful team from the beginning.

7 minutes ago, Wanderlai said:

We have to trade anything of value for draft pics. Nothing we can do but gift wrap Caleb Williams to Chicago. Then just suck for about 4 more years to fix this sinking ship. 

There's not much of value on this roster. When you look around, most of it has been traded away already. The worst part about all that is what was bought with it.

Young is a bust. Back to square 1, and maybe they've learned some lessons for this next rebuild attempt.

2 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Yeah I don’t know if I’m gonna watch this garbage today. Will give them the first quarter and see how it shakes out. 

I've not watched any of it. It will only make me mad. Saints and Patriots instead.

1 minute ago, beo said:

The ACC has the grant of rights blocking the exit of the teams though. In the last negotiation cycle the ACC basically traded some payout money in exchange for longterm stability which seems to be paying off at the moment. That's why FSU, Clemson and UNC haven't already left. Teams cant just leave, it's pretty much on the lawyers of the teams that do to try and find a loophole somehow but they haven't been able to do so to any real success so far.

An ACC league source last year told CBS Sports, at that time, it might have cost as much as $500 million total to exit the league, including its grant of rights, as there were then 14 years left on the deal. Other estimates have been lower but still significant. (this number is probably bullshit but it's pretty much unanimous that it'd cost far more than any school is willing to pay to leave)
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/inside-the-big-12s-ironclad-grant-of-rights-contract-that-helped-keep-the-acc-together-amid-turbulence/

 

I apologize if it seemed I was implying this would come to pass in the next few days or weeks. Of course it won't. All of those things have not stopped teams from leaving when they've decided it's time to leave. It all gets negotiated down and concessions are made and financial deals are struck. 

4 minutes ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

UNC will have their choice of conference though as will NCST. Wake and Duke….lol

Big East might take them in. Otherwise maybe they form a regional conference. Tobacco Road Conference. See if ECU and Elon want to get in on it. UNCC and UNCG as well.

3 minutes ago, beo said:

This is certainly possible, but I think it's worth considering that the TV deal isn't up until 2036 which is quite a ways out. I just don't really see many of the other ACC teams jumping ship. State maybe to whatever conference UNC doesn't go to so that they can have a stake in the NC football market? Other than that, I see little incentive for any other members. It's true the ACC will be much worse off without FSU and Clemson, but the big 12 lost Texas and OU and seems to be doing fine. I just think there's a bit of fearmongering due to recent events, this isn't really the same situation as the PAC which dug its own grave playing hard ball in negotiations when it had no leverage to do so and had far less longterm security in its tv contract.

The Big 10 and SEC payouts are 49 and 50 million respectively. The ACC is 39 million. There might be some spare change numbers on those but those are the amounts. Rivalries are awesome. No argument there. It all gets down to the dollars though, and 10 million is enough to get eyes and hearts wandering.

Basketball doesn't generate the revenue that football brings. If and when Clemson and FSU decide to go elsewhere, 2 national brand football programs will be gone. That will have some sort of effect on the TV deal when it comes up, and then it will be a ripple effect of the other programs of note jumping ship as well. Eventually it could be like the reformed Big East, which isn't a bad thing basketball-wise, but that's the end of it.

1 minute ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

Don’t know who you would bet on beating Georgia lol. They are the betting favorite and for good reason. SEC bias exist for a good reason. 

There is absolutely no threat to them coming out of the SEC West either.

ND-Loserville 7-7 nearly at the half. ND not living up to their ranking tonight.

6 minutes ago, Shocker said:

I guess I am getting older now but these things matter to me.  No one knows what the super conferences will look like or if they are any better.  Bet not
 

 

The more I think of it, the more I think that at some point there will be just a group of teams that run their own thing, independent of the NCAA. Maybe something similar in some ways to Premier League. I'm not sure how it would work, but it's reasonable to believe that since this is all about money, then what do the top tier programs gain from sharing their money with the Northwesterns, Wake Forests and Vanderbilts out there?

New rivals might be a good thing. NC State will never win the ACC in basketball again. But, in a good year, they might have a shot in the Big 12.

Murray has not developed any after college. He is the same player with the same flaws and blemishes he had at Oklahoma. He's bigger than Young, so there's that, I suppose.

So does this mean the NFL version of Curry is still on the way? The point guard ball distributor super computer mega processing magician will be making his presence known soon? The Tide that raises all ships will be rolling in on Sunday. Excitement!

So what's the plan? Are we going to call up the formerly worst team in the league and offer up more players and/or picks for their malcontent underachieving wr that they've currently exiled from the team?

21 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Giants were decent last year what happened? Basically the same roster and staff

Regression to the mean. All those great bounces they got last season aren't going their way this time around.

It's Tepper. Right or wrong, the buck stops with him.

You don't like the gm? The coach? The qb? They didn't hire themselves.

Limited spots to relocate, but there are a few out there. St. Louis would probably be the easiest to pull off. SLC, San Antonio, San Diego, Oakland, Orlando, Austin, Sacramento, Providence and Portland would be other possibilities but most of those would face some opposition from current teams and what they see as home markets.

If European expansion ever happens it won't be 1 team on an island to itself. Think more along the lines of the Big 10 taking in a chunk of the PAC.

Thomas is a waste of payroll. Maybe he wears that Spongebob costume really well when they visit the hospital to pass out Halloween candy to sick kids. Other than that he brings nothing. Never has.

53 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

 Snyder did not care about winning in DC. Snyder didn't even care about the upkeep of facilities in DC. All Snyder cared about was making money and he drove that franchise into the ground. He and Tepper are not the same. 

Absolutely, in regards to the last years of his 23 year ownership tenure. There was a time when he would spend foolishly for big names at the end of their careers, and would seek out splash moves to promote the team. The team won 2 playoff games during his reign. 

It is reasonable to say he never cared about winning, and the big signings were all show to keep the dollars rolling in. It wasn't just about fielding garbage teams though. Some may not remember that he also sued season ticket holders at 1 point, and charged for tailgating and training camp visits, and let the facilities fall apart, and then think that Tepper would not or could not do that. 

If you think Tepper cares more about the bucks than than product on the field, then he could certainly be just as bad if not worse.

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

We just have to hope he also doesn't move the team, as well. I don't think that is something that we shouldn't be worried about. Tepper has zero ties to this area. Even after buying the team, he still doesn't have any ties at all.

It is a possibility, and will be going forward since there will be some sort of stadium resolution in the near future. 

8 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I used to think that. I don't believe I do anymore.

Snyder is maybe the best comparison to Tepper, in the way that it seems there's always a "quick fix" and only he can make it happen. He is not in the league anymore of course, but he hung around for way too long, if that's what we have to look forward to as well.

Well I'm sure any day now all that all-star power we heard so much about in the fluffy feel-good summer stories will kick in. It even reminds me a little bit of all the progress and improvement that was going on under Rhule that only he could see. 

Spanos, Haslam and Brown are all probably worse, but I can't think of many more than those 3.