UnluckyforSome

This franchise is so far removed from Sam Mills now, and in so many ways. they might as well just honor Sam Walton instead.

The Peppers video should make every fan realize the sad state this franchise has become.

I am entirely neutral. I watched him from time to time at UNC, and I know Duke Howell, his father, from way back in high school.

Almost 100 sacks in a season is mind-boggling though. Everyone points to Carr being ruined by similar experience with the Texans, and while it was probably more than just those sacks, I have no doubt that it contributed. This would greatly surpass Carr's numbers.

From the article..

Over a 17-game season, Howell’s current total would project to 97 sacks. The NFL record for most times sacked in a season is 76, set by David Carr with the expansion Texans in 2002.

Big numbers. I haven't watched any of their games however. Is he holding on to the ball? Frozen with indecision? Oline worse than ours? Ron shenanigans? It's interesting in the context of I think Rivera is gone after this year, and a new coach will want their own guy under center. There's a good amount of Panthers fans that would like to bring Howell home, as they feel it was a mistake to not draft him anyway.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/sam-howell-has-40-sacks-through-seven-games-on-pace-to-shatter-nfl-record

9 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I know some things are easier said than done and this won't solve all problems, but here's the main things I'd do to help put this team back on the right track.......

Trade Burns by the deadline for 2 Firsts (it's the cost of signing a tagged player, it's possible) or 1 First and a WR (Higgins and Jameson Williams being the two I'd target in a deal like that).  Anything less and we wait and tag him after the season for a deal then.

Either insist on playing Chinn near 100% of defensive snaps once healthy to hopefully entice him to re-sign here in the offseason (option 1 as I think he can still be a stud if actually used), or trade him right now for anything we can get, because at his current usage rate there is a 0% chance he'd consider re-signing here, so why keep him to play him 30% of the snaps in the final 6 games of a dead season and then lose him for nothing.

If we can't find a true outside #1 by the deadline, try and trade for someone like Curtis Samuel (was hoping we'd be in on a Mecole Hardman deal), we need a quick twitch speed guy at WR, let Bryce get the ball in his hands and go to work.  If not, we need to go after someone like that in the offseason almost as much as we need a true outside #1, those players are becoming so useful in today's NFL game, even just with the defense needing to account for that type of speed on the field.

Trade TMJ to the Bengals, I'd like to do it in a trade with Burns to get Higgins and a 1st, but if not, still trade him to them.  With the Burrow/Chase connection, I have to think they'd be interested and likely our best possible trade partner for him to get something in return and hope to unlock his potential next year once Higgins is gone.

Need to keep D-Jax, no he's not the player we wish he'd be, but he's still better than a lot of starting CBs in the league, trading him would only hurt us too much while not getting back enough of an asset to make it worth our while.

Also need to keep Horn unless some team is stupid and offers us a 2nd for him, his potential if healthy is still too good to cut bait on yet.  Hell, if he can come back and finish the season healthy, signing him to a modest 3 year extension with an out after year 1 or 2 might be the best way to go for both parties.

Sign Luvu to a 3 year extension right now, don't let him get to FA in the offseason, get him locked up.

Get Brown locked up this offseason, don't let another Burns situation happen again

Cap room to be spent in order of WR, OG, pass rusher

If we haven't traded Burns by the deadline, use him to get a #1 WR, whether in a direct trade with a team not wanting to give out an extension to a WR like with Tyreek and AJ Brown in recent years, or by trading him to a team for firsts that get used to make the WR trade.

Go into next season with our WRs being... New #1, Thielen in the slot, combination of Mingo and new speedster WR as our top 4, the more Mingo shows by the end of this season, the less that speedster needs to be a legitimate #2 and more of a gadget type.

Assuming healthy and expected starters in Moton, Ickey, Boseman, Corbett... use some of that cap room to fill the last guard spot instead of the draft.  It worked out well with Boseman and Corbett, think it's the right place to use the cap.  We need someone to play at an elite level Week 1 of next year, gotta keep Bryce upright.

Use 2nd rounder (likely pick 33-35ish) on a WR only if one with true elite potential falls and we can't make the above WR moves first, if not, use it on a LB or DB who can be an immediate starter, as I think we are far more likely to hit on a player at those positions with that pick and they're positions of need.

Use 3rd rounder on a pass catching TE, Hurst is okay but he's nothing special, we need to find our TE of the future and the 3rd is a good place to do it if there are worthwhile prospects at that time.

BPA the rest of the way

And last but not least, any of our own future 1st round picks are 100% off the table in any trade discussions right now, even for a true elite #1 WR.  Until we know what Bryce is or can be, we can't trade away any more future 1sts as we need to keep all of them in case we have to take a QB if Bryce isn't working out, and that could be as early as 2025 depending how things go until then.  This is also why I prefer to use Burns in getting our WR, either directly or through 1sts from trading him, as you need a 1st to get a true elite guy, but we can't give away another Top 5 pick potentially as that's just better off on using to draft a Marvin Harrison type on a cheaper contract anyways.

 

Some of those scenarios could be possible, and be a plus. Unless I missed it, what is your plan for pass rush? It sounds like you trade away what we do have, and use the higher picks towards offensive skill.

This team needs to stop throwing good money after bad. Midseason trade market is going to be filled with other teams' problems and unwanteds. There are no fanciful deals where a team is looking to unload a player that is up and coming for a 4th round pick! It's a buyer beware market, and here we come strolling into town like hayseed hicks with a little money burning a hole in our pocket.

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

They booing Carr already. At least we dodged that bullet. 

I think they are the oldest team in the league now. The defense still has some fight in them. The oline used to be much better but has fallen off with some age and departures. It's not all Carr, but he's probably better than Hill, or taking a wild ride on Famous Jameis and his Wheel of Misfortune.

4 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Cam Erving is starting at tackle for them tonight lol

Ha! Well I knew they had benched former 1st rounder Penning at LT, he didn't even look like he belonged on the field, but I didn't know they had replaced him with someone as effective as a flaming bag of dog poo.

4 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Can't believe we are worse than the Saints

Their offense is looking very Pantherish.

5 minutes ago, Evil Hurney said:

Wonder if this means they are bringing someone else in.

Nah, I think it just means exactly how it reads. I very much doubt any team is going to trade anything for him.

3 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

You’d get a third at best. Probably a 4th

Atlanta gave up a 5th for Okudah, another high 1st round corner with a injury history in his 3 seasons. That might be more realistic.

50 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, you got a legit injury? You might try to play through it to help your team make a run.   That's probably not smart but you see it often.  Your team is 0-6 with no realistic outcome of doing anything? Playing through injury just isn't worth the risk. 

 

I am not advocating playing through a injury when it is not safe. I think more to the point, that it is a sign of waving the white flag on a season is when the IR list starts to grow. It makes the medicine go down a little easier at the end of the year when the team points to all the injuries suffered and an IR list far into the double figures.

37 minutes ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

Can't predict injuries but this is also unheard off given the amount of our guys out. Like half of the entire team is on IR. Talk about adding insult to injury. In this case, it's adding injury to our insult of a team. 

It happens a bunch when teams are out of the running. Players suddenly have season-ending injuries. I'm sure it is just coincidence though, and bad luck.

The Niners-Browns game has been entertaining. I did not watch the Panthers today. Purdy looked very much like a product of the Shanny QB System, but maybe some of that could be attributed to the injuries that happened today. Was not aware that Browns have the top defense in the league.

There is not much defense in college football anymore, but UNC doesn't even try to pretend most of the time.

I've heard a whole bunch about what he is. I've not seen a whole bunch of that on the field. I had the Panthers with 6 wins this year, so I don't think my expectations were overblown. The thing is, there is pressure that is built-in for the top pick in the draft, and that's part of the reason why rookie qbs struggle. 

He hasn't shown anything. Nothing. Nada. Nunca. None. That would be..okay..if he were some 5th round project pick. There's no more need to continue to hear about what Young is. No need for fluff pieces, damage control, from the team about what other coaches see in him. Coaches aren't going to talk badly about any player on any team publicly. He needs to start showing why he was the #1 pick.

1 catch for -1 yards. Start getting that package together for the trade.

8 minutes ago, Rags said:

I think hes doing everything in his power to get Fitt to not make the trade lol 

Good.

1 throw, 1 game on the line. I'd pick fiery, angry old man Smith over Jeudy.

14 minutes ago, toldozer said:

Maybe we should have signed the actual steph curry 

I'm not convinced that even signing Seth wouldn't be an improvement.

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10 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

he'll just move into some Patriots front office position.

I wouldn't be totally shocked if he just called it a career. Not sure he would be skillful enough to be VP of player development or the like, and don't think he's personable enough to be VP of community engagement or such. I'm sure they will offer to transition him in to some empty office though, because how do you realistically fire him?

If it's 0-17 this season, then next year we should just really strive to surpass the Bucs 0-26 mark. It would only be 10 more games to beat it, and we could still finish 7-10, which, unfortunately, now passes for a good season here.

He is a complete waste of payroll.

Some have claimed he's good blocker. Even if that's true, more is expected from a TE in today's NFL, and no matter how good a blocker he might be, there's a very, very good chance that his production could be replaced and eclipsed at a savings.

It's not the 1st time that a team has picked a bust after spending a bunch of assets to do it. There will be better days, and we will all be there for those. That said, it's not good now, and won't be for a while. I am a non-practicing Catholic, and the Panthers are in the same boat, and have been really for the last few years. I still enjoy watching and following the sport, I just separate my Panthers allegiance out of all that, and can then still get enjoyment out of the NFL, without the experience being ruined by the idiocy that is present in the Panthers.