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I feel like it's tougher to do that in the daylight they have there this year. Limitation that isn't typically a thing when the game is on the east coast and/or fully indoors.

No one is giving up a high 2nd without next year's first, a la Everette Brown and the trade Hurney made for him just to get to 43. There used to be more stories about it but they've been lost to time. And they didn't fully dump him - he was on the roster until 2014. Dude never should have been drafted in the first place and the team moved on when the new coach came in, like Rosen and the Cardinals.

That's real, or at least Hurney trying to move up and the 1st rounder being on the line. "Carolina Panthers general manager Marty Hurney spent much of Friday trying to move up in the draft to take Jimmy Clausen, a day after the Notre Dame quarterback was a surprising first-round snub. Hurney couldn’t strike a deal, however, and when Arizona traded up to the 47th slot — one pick ahead of the Panthers — Hurney acknowledged he was crushed, sure the Cardinals were going to take him. “I could lie, but I won’t,” Hurney said. Only the Cardinals passed on Clausen, too. It didn’t take Hurney long to pounce — shaking up Carolina’s newly shuffled quarterback depth chart." https://greensboro.com/sports/clausen-falls-into-panthers-open-arms/article_878dff94-ff02-58c2-90ac-6a583358df58.html

Not exclusive to Rhule. Any coach that comes in and is as ineffective, if not disastrous, as he has been ends up in the same position.

The issue is that Rhule managing personnel is within his bounds, or at least was based on the initial agreement (contractual or otherwise). Unless something changed there, and perhaps it has given the radio silence across the board from everyone except Fitterer, all roads seem to (inexplicably, even without the benefit of hindsight) run through Rhule. The change in tone and lack of public presence from those guys is a departure from how things went last offseason and, to some degree, post-hire in 2020. I'm just speculating but perhaps the status quo has changed a bit over there. God knows what was was happening before sure wasn't a winning formula.

We don't know about the new coaches but we know they are NFL-proven and we know what happened with the former coaches here (shudder...) so yeah, I'll take a shuffling of coaching as a starting point.

Question is, who wants to come take over Carolina's QB room?

Except that Rhule himself has talked about things being written into contracts, and the interview itself has Rhule indicating that it was talked about during Fitterer's intro press conference (which I haven't re-watched). https://www.panthers.com/news/matt-rhule-has-final-say-looking-to-build-relationship-with-gm

It had quality defense, quality offense, great individual plays, lead changes... really was a great representation of the general game of football. And he barely even stepped into it, just tossed it out there.

Yup, that training facility had yielded massive dividends thus far.

No disagreement there - they both should have been gone after 2018. The whole sequence of events from end of 2018 to now is just head-scratcher after head-shaker.

Tepper repeating his mistake of keeping Rivera a year too long all over again.

Not really. There's a reason we don't hear about it more, and that's because teams aren't typically dumb enough to do it with unproven quantities. Key word there being typically.

Wanting it, sure, but a coach contractually getting it, particularly someone like Rhule who had zero NFL experience, is not common at all.

I'm a huge Ghostbusters fan and my wife surprised me with an Ernie Hudson Cameo last Christmas... it's (and he's) amazing. I still watch it sometimes as a pick-me-up on a rough day.

Definitely not. While his body may just not have been up to the task, dude has been a dud. Time to move on.

One would think so. Time will tell.

The point of my post was in response to taking yours to be saying that no sources indicating hit seat meant it wasn't the reality. The only ways that would be true is if there was confidence that this year would somehow be different. Perhaps a misunderstanding there.

After the debacles that was last season and the crumbling in 2020, if Rhule isn't on the hot seat to some degree then I really don't know what to make of Tepper. That's not to say it's a guarantee things won't improve this year, but how does someone look at 2020 and 2021 objectively and think 'yep, that's quality work'?

What am I in denial about? All I asked was to share thoughts on what makes him qualified beyond 'Chiefs offense good.' I've already acknowledged that race may unfortunately be playing a part.

So it's not any different then?

He's still over at Donald LaFell's house.