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2010 was abysmal on the field but there was always hope since it was clear Fox was gone and Carolina was getting the 1st overall pick with some amazing prospects coming. This season is not that scenario.

He did make that completely unprompted comment during the TC about 'regardless of what other people call me' or whatever so yeah, it seems he does care, even if only due to vanity.

It actually seems to only take 2 years, and the better option was that Tepper didn't have to say anything about a number of years at all. Came across as (poorly) managing expectations and doing damage control, and it's just stupid.

From a potential maturity standpoint, sure. From a talent, ceiling, and availability standpoint, no way.

His interlude of laughter and then "regardless of what people may say about me" seemed out of place and could indicate what's on his mind. Struck me as an odd thing to say.

I'm not even saying Rhule or any other coach has to blow the doors off immediately, just look competent and like they're learning and evolving. Rhule has done neither and it sure doesn't take 5 years to show.

Yeah, Rhule was told what level of coaches he had to find.

He said he 'wasn't going to get into specifics', but he did mention some 'players on defense' and perhaps Burns specifically (was multi-tasking). Blech. It does not take 5 years in the NFL to 'build a foundation'.

Guess they don't have 2 more after all.

And now Tepper talking about foundation and building a winner... man, what a sucker when it comes to Rhule.

Did he seriously say that? Not sure what to make of this given the prior statement about Rhule and 'six years'.

I haven't seen the whole thing yet (now past the church scene), but I feel like this version of Batman really has little to no Bruce Wayne left in him. Bruce truly is Batman's alter ego rather than vice versa, and Batman isn't great at being Wayne.

That question was about trading down, not trading back into the 1st round.

Fitterer smirking at that question about 'who breaks the tie' could speak volumes...

I just want to hear Fitterer, one time, say, "Phrasing!"

Maybe. I don't know that I've ever spent so little time reading the Panthers forum. I don't have any actual data to back that up but just a feeling after popping in, seeing threads about Anderson social media, Panthers fluff pieces, rookie QBs, etc, and thinking 'nah'. Mostly come back to check out the Ukraine thread these days. We'll see what happens after this week though, as Fitterer and the FO do deserve a bit of credit for making some actual NFL-caliber FA signings this offseason instead of wasting Day 1 FA money on 'versatility'.

As unimpressed (at best) as I am with Tepper's handling of the Panthers, it's tough to cast judgment on a team in its literal first season of existence. Pass issued for that one at least until next year, more likely year 3.

Biased toward what exactly? Not my fault the stats you and others cite don't support your point and that you have nothing to refute mine. I'm not even saying he was bad at safety, just that he was more impactful in his 2020 role. Hell, there's not even a 2021 Jeremy Chinn highlight video - there are tons of them for 2020. Definitive/scientific? In no way, shape, or form. But interesting that arguably Carolina's second-best defender doesn't warrant the same attention this year, not even in the team's annual defensive recap video. Compare to 2020, when the team highlighted him exclusively. Here's 4 defensive plays alone (one was his ST fake run). Call it whatever position they want, but keep the man near the LOS.

Seriously? Teams also attempted the second fewest pass plays against Carolina (515) in the entire league because they didn't need to; 585 were attempted against them in 2020 and that was with 1 less game played. The team also gave up 26 passing TDs (middle of the pack) and had a rate in the bottom third. With regards to rush defense Carolina was 28th in the league in 'explosive run plays' on defense, giving them up 12% of the time. Yet again, your stat doesn't tell the actual story.

For the fourth time now, the point is that he didn't make anywhere near the impact this year spending half his time roaming the deep third. The stats alone don't tell the story, but since you keep citing them he also only played 15 games his rookie year vs 16 this year.

His rookie year was full of stops at/around the LOS and he had some pretty athletic PBUs. For me, it comes down to the question of how easy is it to replace what someone does; no one made a similar impact at the LOS last year, but his lack of standout play in the secondary may be easier to replace. In the end it just comes down to usage. Whether they call him a safety, LB, whatever, the dude just needs to be around the LOS instead of playing center field.

No, I'm not, which I noted in the follow-up post. Not all stats are created equal and Chinn was pretty much invisible last year, which was a stark contrast to his impactful rookie year regardless of stats being similar. That's the reality.

Right. I'm not saying that he should be scoring TDs all the time but more that he was around the ball and made things happen. That just wasn't the case last year in the role he was in, even if the stats appear about equal. The way I look at it is this - how easy would it be to find a player that puts the kind of production out there that he did? I feel like it's much easier to find a full-time safety that just mans the position vs finding a dynamic playmaker around the ball. Luke and Beason were both above average MLBs, but putting them at MLB unlocked those natural instincts and abilities. I feel like it's that type of situation with Chinn.

Can you name one impact play he made off the top of your head from last year? As compared to his rookie year, where he had 2 TDs vs Minnesota by being right around the ball and LOS along with consistently getting stops at that level? Not all stats are created equal, and that's the role people want to see him in instead of being way downfield. Maybe that's what they mean by safety, but as they used him last year he seemed basically invisible.

He had 107 tackles last year but the only time I remember seeing him was his interception (only one of the year) vs Buffalo. Big change from his rookie year where he was frequently in the middle of things.