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Maybe couda been some PI there...

Ass play to get them down there but what a throw and act in the end zone.

Man, what a throw there. Catch too.

Agreed. The more solid grey looks nice. I was envisioning the metal flak.silver from the past... that with white was a no go.

Total TDs. Includes rushing. Misleading including like that though

Teddy and Rhule both sucked, but Rhule unfortunately got a little benefit of the doubt given his new coach status. Plenty of ubiquitous suckage happening in Carolina these recent years. Teddy was a guy that had shown for years he was only as good as the team around him and even then was a limiting factor due to his love of checkdowns, which we watched firsthand.

They absolutely would, just like they were when Teddy was QB and when Sam was QB. Baker too to some degree but that was doomed to fail from the start.

There are games where the defense falters and the offense steps up and, on those teams you mention, vice versa. It goes all ways and that is what needs to be shown with greater consistency before the 'franchise' label applies. No game comes down to a single drive or single play, and those hames that were lost this year had other plays/opportunities to win that the offense didn't come through on. That's really all I'm saying.

Bingo - consistency is needed and that's a big part of what is missing from both Bryce and the team in general. Yin and yang/chicken and egg? Perhaps. The height is debatable, though perhaps that contributes to the red zone slowdowns if anywhere on the field. On topic, Sam was probably the most consistent of recent QBs. Baker never really had a chance.

Eh, I don't see it yet relative to my position, which has always been a ceiling around Bridgewater/Alex Smith levels of effectiveness. That's the track the outcomes are on. Is it better than QB play of recent years? Absolutely. Is it worth what was paid? No (though that's a sunk cost). Is it good enough to call a franchise QB and forego competition/continuing to look? Also no if the real objective is winning Super Bowls. At this point it will be the Bryce show in year 3, and fair enough. I just truly hope the team continues to push him with legitimate competition of some sort and doesn't put blinders on.

Players loved Hurney too. That means little. And again, Wilks was better than Rhule and is a poor man's John Fox. Moving on from him was a reasonable move, and Reich being an atrocious (and completely avoidable) choice does not diminish that.

And both absolutely are. This defense is terrible and yesterday looked like they were only playing with 9 players out there.

Y'all have completely moved the goalposts and lost sight of the point entirely. I did not bring up Allen nor did I say anything about that other than to respond to the ludicrous comment that was made. My point was simply that franchise QBs find ways to win certain types of games, games where (as one example) poor defense needs to be overcome. That's not happening yet in Carolina and that is a big metric for being a 'franchise QB'. It really is that simple and all that was said. My original comment for reference, in its entirety: "We aren't winning because of him either. Gotta have that from a true franchise QB. Not every single game of course, but more often that not."

Well hey now, thanks for making me feel special! Young is still a limitation. He can be limited and the defense still be historically awful. Both things can be true, numbnuts.

For the third time now, not every game will be a win. That is not the expectation. But in your cherry-picked example, let me know when Bryce has a day where he posts 400 total yards/4 TDs and 90% of the production as the sole driver of the offense, as Allen did, en route to that type of loss and my opinion will be different about said cherry-picked single game.

I don't think he was really playing all that differently than he was before, just not being asked to do as much and benefitting from the strong run game vs how he is truly driving the Vikings offense now. Regardless, my point was that he wasn't going to make significant progress on Carolina's roster. Both things can be true.

Eh, he wasn't losing games by any means but he was nowhere near where he currently is. Running game carried that team hard through the tail end of 2022, but he didn't cause the team to lose games. I'll agree though that he certainly wasn't as rough as times in the past. I think the year off in SF had a significant impact. Wilks is/was not a long term solution. He is a poor man's John Fox, and while keeping him on was better than the Reich disaster it was by no means going to result in a leap of success.

Too many drives stalling inside the 20 to say he/the offense did enough. That's the current reality. And I specifically said it doesn't need to be every game. 'Almost winning' isn't good enough - Mahomes, Allen, etc sure figure out ways to win those close games. need to see the ability to overcome that and win these types of games to get into that echelon of franchise QB. Not every time, but often enough.

On topic, who knows if those guys could have turned it around here. It sure wasn't going to happen under the prior regimes.

Ah yes, the classic HOF metric of 'Big-time Throw Percentage'. Enshrine him now. If they are keeping him around they'd better keep him in a state of competition. As it stands now he is perhaps a purgatory-level QB, one who can look solid when circumstances are perfect around him and who can not elevate those around him when they are not.

We aren't winning because of him either. Gotta have that from a true franchise QB. Not every single game of course, but more often that not.

THE problem? No. A problem. Yeah, to some degree.

He isn't showing much to suggest he can elevate mediocre play though. When things go well, he can connect. When they don't, the magic isn't there yet, and that's ultimately not good enough in today's NFL. 2 great drives in the first half, first and last one, and arguably Bryce's best deep ball ever on a 50+ yard TD pass to Thielen. Horrible offense otherwise. Defense was non-existent.