KSpan

No one has said QB is the only issue and yet your comments like this continue to present that thought like it's the prevailing opinion. It's a given that other areas of the team need attention as well, but in a thread about the QB it's quite reasonable for the focus to be on the QB position. If you truly wish to discuss those other points and share your thoughts, starting a new thread on it would be a more productive action than setting up strawmen in this QB-focused one.

Just keep hammering away at those strawmen.

Where is the Jameis option?

Others perhaps but I've never said it's what I want to see happen. In fact, I've said many times that I trust the staff/FO to improve the QB position and team overall however they determine the best path forward. If it's selling the farm then so be it, and if it's through acquisition of a vet/developing of drafting a rookie then that's their call. This staff and FO is still an unknown but at this point they seem to recognize the need for a more dynamic QB. I think as a fanbase though the dropoff from a Cam Newton to Teddy has made the deficiency that much more apparent and folks might be a bit knee-jerk. Cam wasn't a completion machine but he was dynamic and a playmaker. I've also not said Teddy's the worst QB in the league, but he's clearly a lower-tier starter at best and after almost 50 starts is what he is. I've no idea what categories you're referring to with the 'top of the league' comment, but if it's his 2019 numbers the stats were exactly the same with the exception of an outlier 4 TD game against an atrocious Tampa Bay pass defense where nearly 1/2 of his passing yards were YAC. Some yards, lots of short completions, few TDs, and an offense carried by the talent around him.

What's your point?

I think that comment was implying Carolina would draft a QB at 3 instead.

Where have I said that type of move was the only way?

Precisely because there is such a gap between the good QBs and the others. An elite QB does not guarantee success in and of themselves but there's no question that offensive dynamics and flexibility are a major advantage in overcoming other team weaknesses. They won despite his limitations via the supporting cast. That's always been the book on Teddy and non-dynamic QBs like that - can win a few games with loads of talent around them and perhaps the occasional Super Bowl with transcendent defenses but aren't good enough to elevate a team and overcome top-tier competition when it's on them to do so. Offensive football runs through the QB.

He sure didn't but I think Mahomes and the Chiefs coming back from double-digit deficits in every 2019 playoff game and Super Bowl pretty much proves the point. It takes a team of course but only the offense is responsible for scoring points.

Yet again, please show where anyone is *solely* placing blame on Teddy. You're in a thread about teddy - of course the conversation centers on his performance/lack thereof. Teddy's offense had chances to win games week in and week out regardless of what the other phases were doing and couldn't do it. It's self-contained empirical shortcoming.

Teddy looked exactly how he's always looked, and the stats and outcomes show it. The wheels fell off the offense when defenses got a bit of film and started sitting on everything under 20 yards with no threat of a deep game. It's no coincidence. Ball control offense may keep teams hanging around in games but it doesn't win championships but once in a blue moon when it's paired with an all-decade defense. I live in KC and saw the Alex Smith years firsthand - it's also no coincidence that they didn't get anywhere in the playoffs until Mahomes took over.

Show me where I've, or anyone really, said that all of Carolina's problems are solely because of Teddy. I've certainly said that QB is a weakness and needs improvement, but once again that is not mutually exclusive of making other needed improvements.

Teddy was on the field and the offense couldn't score and definitely not when it mattered most, so are you sure you want to make this comparison?

This can't be a serious reply.

Perfect? No. Competent? Yes. And key defenders that failed to perform and/or live up tot heir contracts have lost their jobs - Whitehead benched and a cut possibly coming, Boston cut, Weatherly cut, Short cut.

Do you fire a QB whose defense - hell, a single defender - spots his offense 14 points and gets them the ball back at the end of the game with a chance to grind the clock for the win and then AGAIN to win it but then they fail to do it? Actually happened by the way. Ignoring that the defense actually improved as the year went on while the offense got worse, a defense that at times was playing as many as 5 rookies on the field at once.

So that's perhaps 1 out of 8, and even then didn't get the job done. I know if I fail to get my job done 90% of the time I get fired regardless of whether my coworkers are failing at their jobs or not.

The need for improvement is not limited to QB and no one has said otherwise. That said, the OL and defense have nothing to do with things like throwing a 2-yard pass on 4th and 9 with the game on the line or repeatedly checking down deep in the team's own territory during a final drive with time expiring.

Being underwhelmed with Teddy's objective on-field play and overall track record as a starting QB and/or desiring a cheaper, more dynamic QB, even if the end result is the same next year, is not 'hate'. Frankly, someone like Jameis would at least make the losing entertaining.

After how public they made their negative views on the QB situation, and by proxy Teddy, I'm just not understanding the public strategies (assuming this Watson thing is true). Perhaps the whole idea though was/is to make it abundantly clear that Carolina was serious about any/all potential deals. Even then though I can't agree with the approach.

Up to $161 after-hours.

I definitely did some buying (not of GME) earlier this morning. Opportunity was knocking.

The structure of the contract definitely says short-term, bridge-type signing with potential for more if he developed. I think though the combination o the team being notably more competitive right off the bat (the whole '5-year plan thing' set expectations low), Teddy's flaws being very apparent and weaknesses becoming clear in critical areas, and Teddy's less than stellar public showing as the year went on (and perhaps other friction behind closed doors) turned it into an immediate area of need. I think this is a case of Tepper learning from a mistake and working to both improve the team and win back some fan favor.

With Teddy's aversion to risk and zero separation created by those receivers, White and the other RBs would likely set positional receiving records. Maybe that somehow works in NE, I dunno. I don't wish Teddy I'll but that does not seem an ideal situation for his skillet unless BB just wants all RB throws, all the time.