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It's not just stats, and I daresay that I don't even really care about stats in the sense that I think stats tell the whole story. I want to see a QB that can take over games and compete/look competent against the best competition. Even if the surrounding cast is a bit subpar you can still see those guys when they're there. Mahomes' stats this year are atrocious but the guy can still load the team on his back and make things happen. I'm not saying that the only acceptable QBs are Mahomes-level but that's what Carolina needs to be looking for and it's evident even in this down year that he still has 'it'. Bryce has shown next to nothing in that area.

Yeah, no need to worry about this one.

Man, it's a rough group being compared when Teddy is far and away the best of a given set of options.

"Yupping it up on the sidelines" means nothing. A coach can enjoy a player and still not think they're the best for achieving a given goal, in this case winning long term. I'm not saying you're definitively wrong about the shrewd management aspect since that could be the case and none of us on the outside know for sure, but unless Canales is somehow satisfied with the objective performances that have been put on the field and that's all part of the plan then he should absolutely be (will absolutely be if he's a decent coach) looking for someone that can execute the plan better even if he gets along well with Bryce.

Who wins between that team and the Rhule-era Temple/Baylor All-Stars?

Bingo. I feel like watching them these past years it has taken the KC offense longer and longer into the season to produce consistent points, and Mahomes really looks human this year. Kelce is producing some numbers but doesn't seem to be making the splash plays he has in the past, and the loss of Rice with Hollywood being hurt has really limited the WR options. Hopkins is on the back half of his career, Worthy is a rookie, and Juju is basically invisible. They are mortal and it won't be a massive blowout, but I don't see Carolina's offense doing much against their defense and the 24 or so points they'll likely put up will be more than enough.

Still early, but it's not an obvious dumpster fire. So perhaps 'too early, but signs don't look atrocious'?

I'm just speculating and am not trying to defend Morgan, but in looking at it would not be surprised if the plan from the start of the season was to trade Mingo for anything they could get (fortunately, Dallas is dumb) if he didn't show noted improvement. Waiving Mingo tanks any potential value while Coker was going to make it through.

If said 6-4 cannon-armed QB is at a similar career stage as Bryce yeah, absolutely. Upside is there and games can be won multiple ways. Guys like Bryce don't win championships except off of flukes because they aren't dynamic enough. Also, you make it sound like Bryce isn't 4-17 as a starter. Because that's the team's record when he starts, and it's been ugly QB play way more than not.

But the concerts tho.

Whatever man. The receiver play, scheme, OL, running game, TEs, everything on that side of the ball is better this year relative to last year, full stop, and Bryce still doesn't produce the same. Dalton sucks too, make no mistake. The bar really is so very low right now that this is even a discussion at all. Bryce sucks, Dalton sucks less at times, and throwing for 125 yards is not something to be celebrated as 'improvement' by any QB unless it's meme-worthy like Weinke's wildcat game.

And Carolina's OL and receivers were trash compared to what they have this year. What is your point? This game can be played all day long and doesn't change that Dalton outproduced Young, which is the whole point of that argument.

Carolina was down by 2 points at the start of the 4th quarter against Seattle before Seattle scored 2 more TDs and that was after being down by only a point at halftime. Denver was up 28-7 before Carolina scored a TD with 18 seconds left and it was 21-7 at halftime with Denver in full control. Not comparable in the slightest.

I don't care what Caleb Williams is doing and am not really sure how that's relevant. As I said though his 'improvement' is a return to baseline IMO and not anything markedly different resulting in any different outcomes. If you want to celebrate that then OK, but folks that aren't impressed have an arguably even more valid position. As I have said many,any times with Bryce and Canales both, time and consistency or lack thereof will tell the story. With respect to Bryce we have consistently seen him be poor vs even average.

Very few actively want him to fail. But many recognize his very limited ceiling and feel that applauding 125 yards against the Giants, or any of these recent weeks, as 'improvement' is ludicrous. Sure, it's better than he was, but dude was playing D3 football in the NFL those first weeks of this season.

Dropping Burns was a no-brainer and Fitterer's ineptitude rightly or wrongly makes Morgan look that much better for this 101-level move. However, where he does deserve credit IMO is that the money has been spent wisely and that was always the point, to spread Burns' value and get more than the sum of the parts. It was never about 'using the Burns picks to replace Burns in the draft' as a portion of the fanbase liked to clamor.

Pretty typical Burns game. Sack early, maybe get close once or twice and then vanish for the rest of the time. $30MM saved, y'all. I took so much heat for being the dissenting voice during that 2022/2023 offseason...

It's another win for the team but Bryce himself continues to meddle well below the Dalton line.

If you can't see that 'improvement' is relative to how atrocious he was at the start of the year and that he's not outperforming his rookie year at all, there is no need for a discussion since you either have an agenda or no clue. Likely both.

The fan equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome on full display with this post.

Yeah, not sure I'd go that far at this point.

It's very possible. Would be quite the continuing coincidence if it happens. The corollary here is that the day a coach loses to Carolina and doesn't get fired is the day that we know the Panthers are viewed as more than a relegation-level team by the rest of the league, as it will be reasonable to lose to them.

Patrick Mahomes won the Super Bowl with that type of skill position performance last year.

So much for that need. Thanks, Giants.