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Back to the 80s and 90s lol

We kept the wrong backup QB

Cam to Cowboys to back up Dak

We need to save it for contract extensions

That's a fair point, if they don't succeed with their current teams, Saleh is in a better position to get another shot at it. I do think Rhule is in a better situation in Carolina to implement his program. Saleh has the better QB situation though, at least for now.

We're not picking up anyone on waiver wire that will replace any of our starters (with exception of a kicker) so that fantasy needs to end. Anyone will pick up will be for depth.

For full transparency, here is the NFL defensive coordinator/assistant to NFL head coach record. Only 9 out of 26 had winning records, or about 33%. It's probably worse if you include offensive coaches. That's at approximately the same rate as college to NFL (3 out of 10). Wade Phillips (82-64) Steve Spagnuolo (11-41) Matt Patricia (13-29-1) Dan Quinn (43-42) Rex Ryan (61-66) Todd Bowles (24-40) Bill Arnsparger (7-28) Dom Capers (48-80) Bill Belichick (274-126) Buddy Ryan (55-55-1) Eric Mangini (33-47) Rod Marinelli (10-38) Romeo Crennel (32-63) Jim Schwartz (29-51) Brian Flores (15-17) Mike Zimmer (64-47-1) Mike Vrabel (29-19) Vic Fangio (12-20) Ron Rivera (83-72-1) Steve Wilks (3-13) Chuck Pagano (53-43) Mike Pettine (10-22) Mike Tomlin (145-78-1) Vance Joseph (11-21) Marvin Lewis (131-122-3) Leslie Frazier (21-32-1)

Full transparency - it's not a very impressive list or record but I think Rhule will buck the trend. For all his faults, Kelly had a winning record just was too stubborn to get out of his own way. Bill O'Brien was a good coach but a terrible GM. Kliff Kingsbury, Arizona Cardinals 13-18-1 Bill O’Brien, Houston Texans 52-48 Chip Kelly, Philadelphia Eagles 26-21 Doug Marrone, Buffalo Bills 15-17 Greg Schiano, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 11-21 Jim Harbaugh, San Francisco 49ers 44-19-1 Bobby Petrino, Atlanta Falcons 3-10 Nick Saban, Miami Dolphins 15-17 Steve Spurrier, Washington Football Team 12-20 Butch Davis, Cleveland Browns 24-35

I think one thing that always differentiated the Rhule hire from other college to NFL coaches is that he didn't come from a top power conference program. He wasn't a coach who depended on having the best 4 and 5 star recruits like Saban. He also wasn't about some gimmicky college scheme or no huddle offense like Chip Kelly. He was hired because of his ability to build a program, manage the locker room, motivate his players and get the most out of each and every one of them. I think for these reasons he will be successful but that success also depends heavily on getting the QB position right. I don't think Saleh is guaranteed to succeed because he hasn't dealt with all the aspects of being an NFL head coach before. For every example of a successful coordinator to head coach hire, there are 3 that flamed out and never got the gig again. I think he will have early success because the bar can't be any lower, but the Jets are a dysfunctional organization and that doesn't bode well.

All good arguments, and I do think Saleh will be a good coach but I am surprised more people aren’t higher on Rhule due to his head coaching experience. Saleh may have NFL experience but it’s his first time being the main guy and we shall see if he can sustain a program.

Interesting matchup for week 1. Who do you think will ultimately have a better career as an NFL head coach and why?

If they planned on cutting him, they would have taken anything. I don’t understand what they see in Santoso.

The fact that Rhule is giving the interview tells you who has final roster control

IDK, but I've never seen a 53 man roster with 5 TEs and only 4 CBs.

It has to be a record, more evidence this may have been our strongest draft ever.

I will be really pissed if we lose Shi Smith - he is going to be good

hahaha, that's gold!

Dude we already have one thread locked on this topic. Just post in the other Cam thread instead

I think a major part of that is we had a mass exodus last year prior to covid hitting and needed some bodies to field a team. As a first year coach, without much help from useless Hurney, you get some players you're familiar with. Now we're starting to see that's not really how Rhule wants to operate, it was a stop gap measure.

I think Jones will do well in NE, he really came into a perfect system and situation. He doesn't really have to air it out, just play smart and efficient and let the defense win some games for you.

Based on what?

It's an interesting point, do you think Cam asked to be cut rather than be a backup?

I think he would've had a better season but would have been benched after one bad game in favor of Jones. That whole city and the organization is trying to manifest him to be the next Brady.

I think you're right, although he would have been on a very short leash. I think Mac was going to start at some point but Cam would have at least been the backup. Now he's out of a job.

If I was Cam, I would retire before playing on that horrible team