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I agree he didn’t get a fair shot last year but he will just have to show what he can do with third stringers and fight for a backup job.

That’s fine, I just think we will be middle of the table in conference and hopefully have a winning record. I don’t think the division will be as down this year and if Carr actually plays well, the Saints will be a tough out.

That’s probably it won’t happen until we go through a major renovation or build a new stadium that forces a reissue of PSL’s

Brown would have been a legend even in today’s NFL. RIP

Water under the bridge, but he's right, having the cap space benefit really helped. If Mingo can produce something like 700 yards this season, it would be more than worth the trade. Not to mention, it saved us a 2025 1st rounder.

And a crap QB can ruin careers. I think TMJ will shine with Bryce distributing the football

I think the point is to have a great atmosphere consistently, regardless of how the team plays. It can make a big difference, not only in the overall fan experience, but the performance of the team.

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/gm-report/panthers-wide-receiver-group-is-under-construction Panthers Wide Receiver Group is 'Under Construction' Shawn Jefferson is learning his personnel during this phase of the offseason. SCHUYLER CALLIHAN 4 HOURS AGO A couple of years ago, former Panthers head coach Matt Rhule told reporters that the team's offensive line was "under construction" similar to I-85. And he was right. The line was in bad shape and needed a ton of work, including adding some new pieces. On Thursday, new Panthers wide receivers coach Shawn Jefferson used the same term. However, it's not because he believes this group doesn't have enough talent. It's more so about finding out how to use all the pieces to maximize the potential of the passing game. "We are a group that's under construction right now. That means everybody. We're under construction," Jefferson said. "We're trying to get the offense implemented, so we're in the building process -- the land-clearing process phase here. Everybody right now is in learning mode and trying to get used to what we want them to do. We're finding out what guys can do. It's part of our job as coaches to put it out there and see what these guys can do, then we can start building the blocks of how we want them, plug them in where we want them to be, and where they fit best according to their talent skillset." The one thing Jefferson is doing in this phase of the offseason is inserting guys in different spots, even some places they're not used to playing. It's how you find not only the right mix of who you want on the field but where. For example, DJ Chark has had a solid career as a X/Z receiver but he may get a couple of reps in the slot just to see what he can do. By doing this, you may discover that a player could raise his level of production simply by lining up in a different spot. But it's not just about creating individual production. It's also to keep defenses guessing. "We want to be different. We don't want to be just stagnant with people where people can just say, okay, they're going to play here or there. I want to move these guys around because it's an advantage to us. We're all about putting stress on the defense. If we got these guys in multiple positions, they don't know who's getting this ball. What defenses typically do is they say he's the 'X', he's the 'Z', they see these types of formations then they're doing that. But we don't want to do that. We want to be multiple. We want to cause some stress to the defense." With Adam Thielen, DJ Chark, Terrace Marshall Jr., Jonathan Mingo, Laviska Shenault, and Damiere Byrd, there's a lot of opportunity for Jefferson to get creative and do exactly what he set out to do - confuse the defense.

LOL - so many of you guys were overly optimistic with Rhule and even Rivera's latter years when I cautioned against it. Now when it's actually time to be optimistic, you want to be Debbie downers haha

Well the Supporters section would presumably know when to turn it up and when to be quiet

I don’t think they use noisemakers that much. It’s primarily all vocal

Right! Charlotte FC has these priced especially low

First of all, this isn’t meant to be a Football vs Soccer debate and which sport is better. However I do think the Charlotte FC supporter section was terrific decision by Tepper and has made for a compelling party like atmosphere at Charlotte FC games even with only half the attendance of Panthers games. It’s made up of organized fan groups or just individuals who are willing and able to stand for the entire game, cheer and support the team. I think it would be amazing if we had the same at Panthers games, what would it take to implement and how would it be received?

Of course being at #9, they're much better than Bears, Cardinals or Texans, top to bottom from a roster perspective, even with an interim coaching staff almost won their division. why would it be insane to expect us to win 2-3 more games based on more competent QB play (and yes the rookie is an upgrade over Darnold and Baker), and a significantly more competent coaching staff (not just Reich but all of the assistant coaches). You're just being unreasonably contrarian on this one .

Well even starters don’t get 100% of the snaps depending on formation. I think this means he will be utilized more in different packages.

wtf man - then why didn't the 49ers lose their games with Brock Purdy? Coaching matters, there's a reason they're all here. If they finish less than .500, it will be a huge letdown.

I would feel the same way. He's in a much better situation.

CAROLINA PANTHERS Biggest strength in 2023: Defensive Front Carolina’s defensive front made some improvements in 2022, led by a breakout season from Derrick Brown. Brown’s 84.4 overall grade was a 20-point improvement from 2021. An increase in his sack total (one in 2022) would make him a legitimate star. Frankie Luvu and Shaq Thompson also played well, posting elite 90.0-plus run-defense grades for the season. Brian Burns was the star pass rusher, tallying 13 sacks. Biggest weakness in 2023: Passing and Stopping the Pass The Panthers ranked 27th in passing grade as a team and 28th in coverage. The combination of Baker Mayfield, P.J. Walker and Sam Darnold gave them very little consistency and forced them to make the bold move of trading up in the draft for Bryce Young. On the defensive side, Jaycee Horn is a solid player, but he was their only defender to play at least 100 coverage snaps and carry a 68.0-plus coverage grade. X-Factor for 2023: LT Ikem Ekwonu Ekwonu had a solid rookie season, posting a 65.3 overall grade while leading the team in snaps played. His 13 penalties were tied for third most among all offensive linemen, so he still has plenty of things to work on. Ekwonu has massive potential, though, and his emergence as a franchise left tackle will quell concerns about Bryce Young’s ability to maneuver the pocket with his small stature. Rookie to watch: QB Bryce Young All eyes are on the first overall pick. His accuracy and instincts are elite. He just has to prove his size isn’t an issue as it pertains to durability. A decent offensive line that ranked 10th in pass-blocking grade helps his cause. The Panthers don't boast a top-flight receiving option after sending D.J. Moore to Chicago for Young, but they do have a number of decent options in D.J. Chark Jr., Adam Thielen, Terrace Marshall Jr. and second-rounder Jonathan Mingo. That’s enough for Young to make Carolina reasonably competitive this season. Over/Under 7.5 win total: Over Much like the rest of the division, this pick will be really tight. Carolina has useful pieces across its roster. Frank Reich was the right hire. The Panthers also have a soft schedule and won seven games last year with Baker Mayfield, P.J. Walker and Sam Darnold under center. It’s all about Bryce Young in 2023. They’ll need some breaks, but if Young plays like a top-20 passer, Carolina could be a surprise division winner. Projected 2023 starting lineup OFFENSE DEFENSE QB Bryce Young (91.5*) DI Derrick Brown (84.4) RB Miles Sanders (71.1) DI Shy Tuttle (60.3) RB Chuba Hubbard (76.6) Edge Brian Burns (64.5) WR D.J. Chark Jr. (69.6) Edge Marquis Haynes(59.3) WR Adam Thielen (65.5) Edge Yetur Gross-Matos(51.2) WR Terrace Marshall Jr.(67.7) LB Frankie Luvu (74.8) TE Hayden Hurst (64.5) LB Shaq Thompson (72.3) LT Ikem Ekwonu (65.3) CB Jaycee Horn (71.4) LG Brady Christensen(57.3) CB Donte Jackson (55.0) C Bradley Bozeman (63.1) CB C.J. Henderson (52.9) RG Austin Corbett (69.1) S Vonn Bell (69.3) RT Taylor Moton (69.3) S Xavier Woods (63.5) *2022 NCAA grade; **2021 NFL grade; ***2021 NCAA grade https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2023-roster-rankings-strengths-weaknesses-x-factors-rookies-to-watch

I still think 9-8 would be a good result with a rookie QB. Next year is where expectations ramp up.

No way is the floor this low. 8 wins minimum And all three picked #1 because of their worst record year before. That’s not the Panthers

Terrible take, they were on rebuilding teams with little talent around them. Panthers picked #1 because they traded up. They would have been a playoff team last year with a decent QB play and Bryce Young is as NFL ready as any QB in history

I expect 9-10 win. Anything less than a winning record is a failure

Big difference between 7 and 10

OK - I got you now.