Santee_Panther

Shaq Thompson

Yes, he is a generational MLB, based on his career. We were discussing the fact that no one is a perfect prospect. See analysis from before the draft: -routinely driven off the ball -Kuechly takes too many false steps. -No player makes more tackles, but rarely are these clean tackles where Kuechly read the play and made a dynamite pursuit and form tackle. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1031882-luke-kuechly-2012-nfl-draft-scouting-report

They said we had 16 players with a first round grade. If one of them is there at 39, you take them. If not, try to trade back. If that doesn’t work, take the player at the top of your board.

That 8th pick becomes more valuable if one of the top QBs is still there. I think it would take more than a 2nd in that scenario. And not sure Pats would move up unless it was for a QB.

Sorry, a ‘22 second is equivalent to a ‘21 third...

The trade value chart shows that a future round pick is worth one round later than current year picks. So even if we are the worst team next year, which is highly unlikely, the future second is like a 2020 third round pick.

They restructured Hill, which will push about $8mil into future dead money. They cut about $40mil in salary, including starters (LB Kwon Alexander, WR Sanders, CB Jenkins, TE Cook, LG Eaton, P Morstead. They also “officially” still have Brees on the roster. Once he leaves they get hit with an additional $10.4mil hit, so even though they are “only” $11 mil in the hole, they need $5mil+ for cushion throughout the year and another $8mil for rookies. So they are still about $35mil in the red for ‘21, plus they’ve restructured contracts to push money to future years. And they have no franchise QB.

His tender as a last year restricted FA is fairly high (I believe $3.4mil). It isn’t like the last couple years where he was a league minimum salary. Tougher decision.

These are all guys that wouldn’t count against comp picks. Are under 32, and started at least 40% of the snaps last year (sorted by position):

When we have $100mil+ in cap room.

Agree. Any of the top 4 QBs at 8 would be fine by me.

He’s coming off his rookie deal, he needs that $14mil.

I think a rule for the forum should be that if you say: we should trade up to X to draft QB X, you should also have to state what you are willing to give up to get that higher draft pick. The trade takes two sides. You can’t just “want” to trade up.

I’d be happy to stay at 8 and hope one of top 4 QBs drop. Price to move up likely too high given the natural uncertainty in the draft process.

Agreed. Think about it. We feel like we have no cap space and yet we are in better shape than over half the league. Only a few teams have a bunch of room, but there will be a lot of good players looking for a contract with a relatively small amount of dollars available. I’ve even seen discussion of atypical contracts like league minimum salary plus a few mil bonus with multiple void years for pro bowl type talent. Yes we have some big holes, but our cap situation is solid 2022 and beyond. If we can continue to draft well we will be set up well.

They are quoting a "bold prediction" from David Newton.

This is true of my friend/colleagues that are Pats fans. BUT, after week one, their tune was different. Bucs had lost, Pats with Cam had won. They were are laughing that they didn’t need Tom. I think after all their losses piled up their tune changed.

No scenario? Come on! There are plenty of scenarios where 3, and possibly 4 are gone. But 100% chance four or more are gone at 8? Nah.

I am on my cell, and couldn’t tell from OTC, but thought it was higher. my apologies. But spotrac is showing $10mil guaranteed in 21. Don’t forget we would get hit with $10mil prorated signing bonus too, so $23 mil cap hit with a $20 mil dead cap, so only a $3mil savings to cut him. But if we traded him, only $10mil dead for a $13 mil savings (the new team would take on the guaranteed salary).

Because his 2021 salary is guaranteed

I think they'd have to also take Teddy for me to be ok with this.

Good! Let’s hope the price comes down.