Santee_Panther

I was on board for this. But for anyone to think you just snap your fingers and get a good QB is crazy. Fitterer has said you try and try again until you hit. That’s what he has tried. Of course you can say why did we guarantee that 5th year for Sam, but even that was a one year throw away.

All indications are that Darnold is a decent locker room guy. Unless you get $3mil plus in salary covered by another team, no reason to not keep him. Let’s say you cut him. Why would another team offer anything more than the league minimum for him. (Unless I’m overlooking differences waiver and cut).

I can spell this out if you need me to. First, someone says he is cheap for a top 15 qb. Then you replied you got anything to back that up. Then I provided a link to rankings from just this past month from Chris Simms, a well regarded QB analyst, showing he has Baker as #17. Apologies there is such a massive gap between 15 and 17.

Chris Simms rated him #17 this summer. https://sports.nbcsports.com/2022/06/14/nfl-quarterback-rankings-2022-chris-simms-top-40-qb-countdown-ahead-of-upcoming-nfl-season/amp/

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33887625/new-york-giants-release-james-bradberry-failing-find-trade-partner-cb

Fitt has said in the past he will continue to bring in a new QB every year ideally. No reason to think we won’t draft one almost every year (hopefully with later and later draft picks). Would’ve been nice to have not given up any future pics, but nice to have 1, 2, 4 and 5 next year and yet still have addressed top two needs this year with guys some thought could both be first rounders.

Definitely had more to do with Darnold. Probably felt bad saying that.

David Newton reporting ladies and gentlemen…. Gilmore played the 2021 season with the Carolina Panthers, who traded a 2023 third-round pick to the New England Patriots in October.

The benefits to having your own jet I guess. Flying isn’t exactly an inconvenience.

Hell yeah! Hopefully four years in a row to come (Smith, Pep, Luke). Congrats to the Mills Family!!

Well, we could have basically had Trubisky for free vs what we paid (in cash and picks) for Darnold. Would be curious to see the pro scout notes that led to that decision.

Nope, just missed it

I’m not suggesting this is what we will end up with, but these are the players currently under contract. I think we can all agree QB, OL, and LB are question marks. But there are some solid building blocks (skill positions on O, backfield of D). Currently under contract through ‘22-23 season: ‘22 Panthers: QB- Darnold, ? RB- CMC, Hubbard WR- DJ Moore, Anderson, Marshall, Smith TE- Tremble OT- Moton, Erving, Christensen OG- Daley, Brown, Moore, Jordan C- Elflein?, Tecklenburg DT- Brown, Roy, Nixon, Hoskins DE- Burns, Fox, YGM LB- Shaq, Martin, ??? DB- Horn, Henderson, Bouye, Pride, Taylor, Thomas-Oliver S- Chinn, Franklin, Hartsfield, Robinson Special teams: Fletcher, Charlton, K?

Looking at last year, the Titans lost two top free agents (Conklin $14mil and Mariota $9mil) and signed one (Beasley $10mil). Beasley offset the lower lost FA, so they picked up a third round comp pick. So if we lose Reddick (a likely 3rd) and D Jax, we could offset DJ with someone and not lose the 3rd. We just need to sign less than we lose.

According to OTC, they’ve already been using that for their estimates. So we will have about $30mil. https://overthecap.com/2022-nfl-salary-cap-expected-to-reach-208-2-million/

Unfortunately you can only spread bonus money. Guaranteed salary can’t be. Sam would have to agree to a restructuring, which is what the OP suggested.

I can enjoy the present and yet still save money and invest in my future. They aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s a Tuesday…not like we are worrying about this stuff mid game.

Agree to disagree, but to your point, in hindsight probably not as bad as we recall. 1) the overall cap was $30mil lower per team back then. 2) we had a much worse team cap situation then 3) opportunity cost of signing Khalil.

I used Overthecap, so whatever their assumptions are in change in cap.

No bonus…just the fully guaranteed contract.

Agree it sucks on Darnold, but it is a one year hold. Much better than the hell from Kalil contract, which hurt us for 3-4 years (ignoring the loss of 2nd round pick, which hurts more than the cap hit).

Franchise for a CB is $15mil, and CB is a position where we have a ton of depth. Seems like a luxury. Agree that off-season focus likely on OL, but typically better to address OL through draft than free agency.

Players currently under contract through ‘22 season: QB- Darnold (yuck) RB- CMC, Hubbard FB- obsolete? WR- DJ Moore, Anderson, Marshall, Smith, D. Moore TE- Tremble OT- Moton, Erving, Christensen OG- Daley, Brown, Moore C- Elflein DT- Brown, Roy, Nixon, Hoskins DE- Burns, Fox, YGM MLB- ???? OLB- Shaq, ??? DB- Horn, Henderson, Bouye, Pride, Taylor, Thomas-Oliver S- Chinn, Franklin, Hartsfield Special teams: Fletcher, Charlton Free Agents [potential replacement]: Cam (QB) [?] Reddick (OLB) [?] Paradis (C) [Elflein?] Burris (SS) [Hartsfield] D Jax & Gilmore (CB). [Bouye, Henderson] John Miller (RG). [Christensen/Brown] Ian Thomas (TE). [Tremble] J Carter (LB) [?] The OL is it’s own animal, but in a dream scenario Daley can hold down LT and Elflein is serviceable at C. (Big assumptions, sure). I’ve been of the opinion that interior play has been worse than the tackles. In that case, biggest remaining issues: - Glaring hole at QB1, perhaps that problem magically goes away if Cam plays well and takes a home team discount to extend - CB is loaded, not sure we can afford both D Jax and Reddick. If can only keep one, I’d prefer to keep Reddick. Good news is losing Jax could net a 3rd rounder in a ‘23 comp pick. - how much does it cost to keep Carter and/or upgrade MLB? I’d argue our cap is in pretty good shape. Yes, “only” $35 mil in ‘22, but over $100 mil in ‘23 and beyond. We can do some trickery with extensions of good, young players to make it through next year.