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Brady had 1,000 yard rushers (Antwan Smith and Corey Dillon) for his first 3 SB wins.

Cam was great in Carolina. Arguably our best player ever. But, he only had 3 winning seasons with the Panthers. You can't blame that solely on him. As you pointed out wins and losses are not individual stats, they are TEAM STATS. And quite frankly, we haven been that great (or even good) team since Cam got injured in CMAC's 2nd season (2018).

I like DJ. I think he could really blossom in a good offensive scheme with strong talent surrounding. He's put up impressive number with some of the worst quarterbacking in the NFL over the past 4 seasons. That said, I'm with you. I'd move him a high 1st round draft choice in heartbeat. It's easier to find a receiver of his caliber in the draft or FA then it is to find a talent like CMAC. Plus, doesn't he have a cap figure over 20mil next season?

How can the Rams possibly afford to trade for Brian Burns? Do they have any more 1st round picks this decade . Seriously, they seem to trade away their high draft choices every year for star players.

If we end up with CJ Stroud in the first round I can almost guarantee you we'll be in the same position we are in right now by his 3rd year in the league. Ohio State QB's don't pan out in the NFL. If we take a QB's in this years draft (which we should) he's the QB I absolutely do not want.

I'm glad I',m not the only who see the value in keeping Chrisitian when it comes to his receiving abilty. Frank Gifford and Lenny Moore are Hall of Fame RB's from the 1950s/1960's. Both of them were gifted runners who averaged well over 4.0 yds per carry. But they may have actually been more dangerous as receivers. Gifford averaged over 14.0 yards a catch and Moore averaged over 16.0 ypc; and they were doing that in a run first era. Gifford all but stopped carrying the ball the last 3 years of his carrier and was primarily a receiver. I seem to recall that when CMAC came out of college he was said to be one of the best route runners in the draft. CMAC should/could be used the way Landry used Dorsett in Dallas. He rarely got 20 carries a game (due to his size) and he was used to catch screens and shorter routes out of the backfield. It's one of the reasons he was still an effective back after he turned 30. If someone would give us gold mine for him, I'd understand making a move. We won't get mote than a 2nd at best.

This is why no one is going to givwe you a first and third for him.

It does make you wonder how many time they had PJ drop back in practice this week and throw those LOS passes to CMAC and company.

I didn't even know who was hurt until a few minutes ago while watching Colin Cowherd. I was wondering Arizona would be interested in him. I can see Robbie getting upset out there. They already have AJ Green and Deandre Hopkins is coming back on Thursday. I can't see him getting too many catches. Then again if he caught 1 pass a quarter he'd be more productive than he's been in our offense.

None of us are ever going to call plays in the NFL, but I think a fair number of us could have found a way to get a couple of 5-10 yard completions each quarter. They should have been able to call some hook/curl routes, dig routes, or crossing patterns in addition to all of the screens. And, why not a reverse screen?. Fake a screen to CMAC and go back the other way to a TE or WR. I would have tried a HB option pass once/when the defense started creeping up to the LOS. They could have even tried a flea flicker. PJ's got arm. If we could have got someone running free down the field PJ probably could have hit him. PJ is scary when a defender is around football. It's not hard to defend a team that you know has no intention of throwing the ball 10 yards down the field. Awful game plan.

I'd cut PJ today if I were in charge. He may be a nice guy but he is truly a waste of a roster spot. He simply cannot play QB at the NFL level. I'd use Eason next week if Baker and Sam are unable to play. If he played well I'd ride with him the rest of the season. We know Baker and Sam won't both be back next year. I can't see either of them returning as starters. Matt is the only QB we have under contract. Eason can get some valuable playing time and we can get a good chance to evaluate him. If he's decent we can use him as a spot starter/backup when we draft our QB in the first round next year.

You’re right Jon. That’s the reason why PJ shouldn’t even be in the league. If you can’t trust your QB to throw 10 yards downfield then you need another guy behind center. I think Eason would have at least made the game interesting to watch. If I were in charge I’d let PJ go tomorrow (or demote) him to the practice squad and replace him with Eason.

Herndon Hooker reminds me of the old Tampa QB, Doug Williams. If he ended up in the right city and got the right coaching, he may end up better than both of them.

He’s certainly better than PJ Walker

I wouldn’t say “good shape”, but I agree that we have some nice pieces in place. I’d move on from Robbie ASAP, but I’d keep Christian and DJ unless they demanded a trade. If we got the missing pieces you pointed out (HC and QB) we could challenge for a division title next year, especially if Brady retires from Tampa. I love what Dabol is doing with the Giants. And look what Zac Taylor did with the Bengals when he got the right QB and surrounded him with the right weapons. They went from last place to the SuperBowl in one season.

I was thinking the same thing. We need to cut or trade Robbie this week and let Marshall start the rest of the year so we can see what we have. I’d start Eason next week. If he played well I’d consider riding him for the rest of the year even when Darnold and Mayfield are healthy. PJ wouldn’t see the field again. Worst case we loose out, get the first pick in then draft, and get Eason enough experience to become a viable backup/spot starter to our 1st round QB selection.

The Rams have looked like trash pretty much all season. All we did was give them back their confidence. Their defense is going to come out of this game all pumped up. But, any NFL caliber defense is going to look good against a PJ Walker led offense. The guy can’t be trusted to throw the ball 10 yards downfield.

I wonder if Brady or Mahomes would have got a roughing call if they took the hit that knocked PJ out of the game?

If we pick a QB with our first pick, then we need to just go ahead and start him next season even if Matt Corrall looks good in the preseason.

He shouldn’t be on an NFL roster. If we can sign a viable backup to replace him then PJ should be cut this week. Look at what NE is doing with their 3rd string QB Bailey Zappe

PJ wouldn’t be in the league if our recently fired HC was not his former college coach. He is 45 yards through 3 quarters. You can’t compete in this league if the coaching staff has no faith in the QB to complete a pass 10 yards downfield. At least we can be fairly sure he won’t take up a roster spot next season.

I only got to see the last drive of the game. Hooker seemed quite poised and had nice touch on his throws. He reminded me of Doug Williams when he was standing in the pocket. He even had the cream sickle orange color that Doug used to wear with Tampa Bay’s original uniforms I’ll definitely be paying lower attention to this young man as the college season progresses.

I only got to see the last drive of the game. Hooker seemed quite poised and had nice touch on his throws. He reminded me of Doug Williams when he was standing in the pocket. He even had the cream sickle orange color that Doug used to wear with Tampa Bay’s original uniforms I’ll definitely be paying lower attention to this young man as the college season progresses.

I actually made this point months ago in a post. Every year we see players at other positions get drafted late and blossom when given the opportunity. Some players excel even if they are undrafted. Teams are willing to let a late rounders/UDFA's compete for a starting job at every position but QB. Too much capital is tied up in a first round pick to have him sit. If you have 1st and 3rd-4th round QB's on the same team you're automatically going to give #1 every chance to win the job. If flames out you're likely going to be picking in the top of the draft again. The new guy taken in the first round will once again be given the chance to start. Low round guys have low cap hits and are easy to replace. I bet there are a quite a few of guys who have fallen thru the cracks down thru they years that could have been competent, if not great, QB's in the NFL because of lack of opportunity.

I agree. But, each of those guys were lucky to be chosen by the teams that picked them. Hear me out. Mahomes: He had the luxury of sitting a year behind a competent, but not great QB, in Alex Smith. The Chiefs were a playoff team before he got there. Jackson: The Ravens were a 9-7 team the year before Lamar got there. They would have made the playoffs if they had not lost the last game of the season. The Raven have been one of the more stable franchises in the 21st century. And Lamar, like Mahomes, did not have to start immediately. He took over by the end of his rookie year, but he had an opportunity to watch at first. Allen: People forget that the Bills made the playoffs the year before he got there. Tyrod Taylor took them to the Wild Card round. Allen was drafted by a playoff team. Watson: Houston traded up to get him at 12. Like Allen, his team was in the playoffs the year before he go there. The made it to the Divisional Playoff with "Tom Savage" and "Brock Osweiller" splitting QB duties. The pieces were in place for all 4 to have succeed fairly quickly. The franchises could afford to make deals to move up because they had no gaping holes on their teams. A-Rod and Big Ben also joined stable franchises and blossomed in a hurry. Mayfield, Darnold, David Carr, etc went to poor teams and it affected their play. I'm not saying they'd be all time great if they'd been drafted by different teams, but I do think they would each have had an easier transition into the league. If you draft a stud in the top 5 but he's on a bad teams, then you need to get that time competitive by year 3 or he could end up shell shocked and permanently damaged.