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The situation definitely has the biggest impact on a QB's success. There are a lot of examples of good/great QBs' who didn't win titles. I won't list them all now, but one example is the father of two of the guys mentioned above: Archie Manning. I've heard players like Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Roger Staubach, etc say that Archie was very underrated QB who would have regularly competed for championships had he had stronger supporting casts. His New Orleans teams were terrible. I actually heard Jerry Glanville say (prarphrasing) "Peyton and Eli wouldn't have survived in the NFL. They'd be dead" had the played on those woeful Saints teams in the 1970's. Look at some of his footage from back in the day. He seemed to running for his life on half of the snaps. Neither Peyton, nor Eli, had the mobility of their dad and would have been beat to death playing under the rules in the 1970's There are just as many examples of average to good QB's who will never make the Hall of Fame but won SB's because they were on very strong teams: Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Joe Flacco, Nick Foles, Jim McMahon, Doug Williams. Trevor Lawrence came out of Clemson touted as the next Elway, Manning, or Luck. You couldn't tell it by the way he played last season. Does that mean he stinks as a QB and was overrated? Of course not. Imagine if he'd ended up in New England instead of Jacksonville for his rookie season. I'm hoping Peterson can turn things around for him. But, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could suffer like Archie Manning did if the front office fails to put the proper pieces around him or the coaching effort is subpar.

Clausen wasn't even good enough to become a career journeyman/backup. If it wasn't for this being a Panther website that I frequent I would have forgotten all about him...like the rest of the NFL fans already have.

Is Rosen even still in the league?

Since I'm a poor man compared to NFL players, I have a hard time understanding this move. PFT said the Chief's offer would have made Hill one of he best paid receivers in the NFL. I'd pick making top 5 money in the NFL, continue playing with the best/2nd best young QB in football, and competin for an AFC title every year, over being the highest paid receiver playing with Dolphins. Hill must really value money over winning. Miami hasn't worn a SB since 1973 (the Nixon administration) and hasn't played in a SB since 1984 (the Reagan administration). He must be content with the one SB ring, because he has a better chance of being struck by lightning that winning another ring in Miami before he retires.

Trading down in the 1st round for additional picks is good in theory in some cases. But, it can be dangerous if you miscalculate would the other teams might do. I'd hate to trade back and miss the targeted player at a position as important as QB. I agree with you, if Corral's checks all the boxes and the Pickett and Willis are gone, I'd take Corral at 6...if you're dead set on taking a QB in the 2022 draft.

Good point sir. I think you'll see more of the HBCU's having players get drafted on day 3 and as UDFA's over the next several years if more schools are successful in recruiting as Deion has been at Jackson State. It's a given that the big programs will always have more players in the NFL than the smaller programs. But, when teams have low cap space, extra draft choices, or know there are players that have transferred from big programs as you outlined above, smaller schools are sure to have some hidden gems that could contribute to many NFL franchises.

Year ago I listened to an interview from Steve Deberg when Steve Sabol was still alive. Deberg had one of the unluckiest careers of anybody in NFL history: He came into the league with the Cowboys in the mid 70's. The team was set with Staubach at QB, but the team realized he was talented and tried to hide him on their practice squad. The 49er's claimed him. He went to SF and became a starter until Walsh replaced with a 3rd rounder named Joe Montana. He went to Denver as a starter until Dan Reeves replaced him with !st rounder John Elway. He went to Tampa, and got replaced by Steve Young He finally ended up in KC and actually led the team to the playoffs under Marty S. I believe, but he never became superstar. He had the misfortune of being replaced or held back by 4 Hall of Fame QB's. He once broke down what was great about the latter 3. Elway: Possibly the strongest arm He ever saw. Said he footballs looked and sounded like no other QB. Young: Maybe a better physical specimen than Elway in terms of mobility and running. Said Young could have been a viable RB in the NFL Montana: Couldn't throw like Elway. Couldn't run like Young. Not a great physical presence like the latter two. Said Joe was best QB he ever saw. When asked what made him great Deberg said I can't pinpoint it Joe was just great and understood how to play the position from the neck up. It goes back to what Mr. Scott said (paraphrasing) "Process what's happening on the field and throw the ball to right spot at the right time" Any QB that can do that is going to be successful. It doesn't matter about the physical tools if he can't do the things highlighted above. PS: Bill Walsh was once asked to rate Deberg as a QB. He said he had one of the prettiest balls he ever saw and was a better"pure passer" than Joe Montana...talk about irony.

I just got had a chance to watch a bit of ESPN on my lunch break. Their so-called draft guru Mel Kiper shows once again why he's no better than my fellow Huddlers when it comes to draft predictions. He's got Pickett going to NO at 18, Willis going to PIT at 20, and Matt Corrall going to Detroit at 32. I don't think a person on this board believes things will go down like that. I doubt Pickett and Willis make it past 12 if we don't take one of them at 6. I'd be surprised if Corrall lasts that long, although I do believe he'll be the third QB taken in this draft. Thoughts?

I'm dating myself too. I remember the name Billy Kilmer, but I can't remember Kilmer taking snaps for the Redskins. I do remember the guy who replaced him extremely well, Joe Theisman. I can remember pretty much everything in the NFL from 1979 to present day. Baseball was my first love as a kid. My baseball memories go back to the 1977-1978 seasons (Yankees beat the Dodgers in back to back World Series) The Pirates and Steelers both won titles for Pittsburgh in 1979. The 1979 season in both sports was the year I really started following both sports from beginning to end.

If Malik were coming into a situation like Darnold did last year then I'd agree with you. But, I think this year would be a little more favorable to Willis (or any QB that we'd draft). The O-line is already poised to better by the new FA acquisitions. The O-line Sam, Cam, and PJ played behind last year was an embarrassment. We have hired one of the better O-line coaches in the league to make them even better. McAdoo has been hired as OC,. He has experience as a HC and OC. He understands NFL offenses better than Joe Brady. I think Carolina is lot more desirable destination for any QB (by trade, draft, or FA) then it was just 1 month ago.

That's true, but you still can't ignore trends. Mobile QB's that can avoid the pass rush win titles. Roger Staubach, John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, Big Ben , Steve Young, Russell Wilson are what I classify as mobile QBs. All of these guys had wheels, but ultimately they beat you from the pocket with big time throws in big time games. Running QB's don't, or at least so far, win championships. They put up highlight reel runs and are fun to watch. But, they tend to end their careers without a SB ring. Their careers tend to end a bit prematurely as well due to the hits they absorb. I'd take a statue in the pocket that can read and pick a part a defense behind a good O-line over a running QB any day of the week.

I agree with latter statement. He still has a year left on his deal, so if we traded for him we'd only be on the hook for the last year of his rookie deal. If we acquired Baker, the 2022 would be his prove it season. Note: This was in reply to a post by "scratched". I forgot to quote the text in my reply.

Unfortunately, we don't have 3rd rounder this year. We lost it when we acquired CJ Henderson from Jacksonville.

If you (and others) are not sold on Pickett or Willis, what makes you think the Falcons are? They may not want either guy, especially if they have to give up a lot to get them. If Ryan is traded I'm not so sure they'd move up. They may take the best player available and use this draft to lay a strong foundation and zoom in on a QB next year.

Baker has to be upset over this news...if true. The Colts have one of the best O-lines in football and arguably the best young RB in the game with Johnathan Taylor. Those two assets help what Mayfield does best, throw off of play-action. He would do well in that system.

I agree with you on the in person meeting to gauge his demeanor, football IQ, etc. My problems is with the actual passing drills. You can see arm strength, ball placement and footwork. That's about it. All the above are on game tape. I liken it watching a guy shoot 3 point shots in a gym by himself. He may drain them all day long. I want to know what he can do when a defender gets in his face. I need to know if he can create/make a shots in game situations.

I've never understood the fascination with QB pro days. I don't see how a QB throwing to WR's under ideal conditions with no pass rush or DB's on the field reveals anything about the guy that you can't see on game tape. Great QB's can throw under duress and have the ability to place the ball into tight windows when needed. I'm sure there are people on this board who can make the throws during a pro day, but would totally flame out in game situation. Jamarcus Russel, Kyle Boller, Sam Bradford all had "the best pro day ever" at some point in time time...and I don't think any of them ever led a team to the playoffs. As a GM, I'd never make a draft decision based on a pro day performance.

Here's the funny thing about what you just said. If Sam Darnold, or the Panthers QB's as a unit had put up those numbers in 2021 we probably would have been a playoff team. As a team we had 14 TD passes and 21 INT's.

I'd be pleased. I don't know about the rest of the board. This could actually happen. Not only are we getting better lineman, but we have a well established O-line coach working to improve the performance of each player on that unit. We have a new OC. McAdoo's system will be much better suited to the pro game than the scheme Brady tried to implement the past two years. With better protection, and a better scheme, and in a contract year, I expect Darnold to do better "IF" he begins the season as starter. That's not to say we need to plan of him being our "franchise guy" for the rest of the decade. But, if he does ok I could see extending him 1-2 years until a rookie was ready to start (assuming we don't draft one this year) or solid veteran can be acquired.

I don't think the Packers would have given Aaron Rodgers a $150 mil contract if they thought Jordan Love had any chance of being a franchise QB in the NFL. The GB brass thought Rodgers was slipping. They moved up to take a QB in the 1st round even though they had just 1 game short of the SB the season before they drafted him. If Love could play, Rodgers (with all of his drama) would no longer be in GB. I wouldn't give more than a 4th or 5th round pick for Love, and I definitely would give DJ Morre away for him...but maybe Robbie Anderson.

I'd have no problems with trading for Minshew with a 5th round pick. He's had starter experience. I think he's better than Darnold. At worst, he'd possibly cause Darnold to elevate his game just by bringing legitimate competiton for the starter position. Rhule should have a veteran on the roster instead of PJ Walker to push Darnold harder in 2021. And, Minshew would be the perfect guy to hold things down in 2023 if we draft a rookie who isn't ready to take control of the offense to start the season. As someone pointed out, the Eagles may want more than that. If so, maybe we could offer a later round draft choice with the 5th round selection, or offer a conditonal choice on a late round 2023 draft choice based on playing time and/ r performance.

why? why? why? Option C is off the table. We don't have enough draft capital for Jimmy G. Option B: I don't know what Mariota is worth these days. Since he's a back up we know he's not a top 20 quarterback. I don't even know if he's under contract or a FA to be honest. Option A: I'd have no problems with trading for Minshew with a 5th round pick. He's had starter experience. I think he's better than Darnold. At worst, he'd possibly cause Darnold to elevate his game just by bringing legitimate competiton for the starter position. Rhule should have a veteran on the roster instead of PJ Walker to push Darnold harder. And, Minshew would be the perfect guy to hold things down in 2023 if we draft a rookie who isn't ready to take control of the offense to start the season.

That's actually a good point. Baker would probably do really well in NO if Payton was still coaching the team. I think he can be a viable starter for some team in the NFL. We had a bad offense last year. I don't think too many QB's would have thrived in Carolina in 2021. Having a new OC, new OC coach, and new lineman is going to make us better. Any QB we put behind center is going to be better than the QB play from last season.

You never know how a player will pan out once he's drafted, but that kid looks really promising. If we were set at every position on the offensive side of the ball (which unfortunately we aren't), I'd have no problems with us picking Hamilton at #6 and pairing him with Chinn on the backend. We'd arguably have the best safety tandem in the NFL for the next 3-5 years. If Horn and Henderson panned out, we could possibly have the best secondary in in the NFL.