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This is why I wasn't upset that Tepper opted to pivot away from Steve Wilks. I would have supported him if he had got the job. I can't see Wilks taking over as HC and improving the offense to the point where we could go toe to toe with the great offenses in the NFL. We've been in the league 28 seasons and still haven't posted back to back winning seasons. The one thing we've lacked during that period was an offensive minded HC. I much more confidence in Reich to acquire/develop a productive QB(which is what this team desperately needs) than Wilks.

Good post. I think the main problems is with how the "pundits" evaluate QB's. We assume someone is a first rounder because the evaluation people say they are. They may not really have 1st round talent. Remember how Mel Kiper Jr was all in on Jimmy Clauson being a 1st round pick? Back in 1978 Joe Montana was viewed as a 3rd round talent. Tony Romo and Kurt Warner weren't even drafted which means the pundits didn't think they were worth drafting. How did the above scenarios turn out. In reality, some QB's are overrated draft prospects, and some QB's are underrated prospects.

Great post. I was goimg to post some thoughts on this topic. You're thoughts mirror mine so closely that I don't need to do so now. So, I'll just add to what you said. Hurts (2nd round) is in a good situation right now and is showing the world what he can do. As you pointed out, he wouldn't be a NFL MVP candidate playing for Matt Rhule and the O-line we had during his first 2 years as head coach. Players need to be put in positions to maximize their talents and help them reach their potential. Look at Trevor Lawrence (1st round). He didn't look like a generational QB last year. Part of the that was due to being a rookie and having to adapt to the speed of the game. But his struggles last year were largely due to the poor coaching of Urban Meyer. Now he's got two full seasons under his belt; A good HC; and the team is steadily adding pieces for him to flourish. He looks like he's really poised to break out in his 3rd year. Brock Purdy: (6th round pick). So far he's played lights out. Why? Great coaching staff and arguably the most talented team in the league man per man. He's in a situation where he can thrive. He wouldn't have had type of success in Carolina he played here in 2022 (or any other season under Matt Rhule) Geno Smith: A won't go too long on this. But he looked like a legit starter in the league in 2022. Once again you have a guy who is playing for a good coach. He had some competent pieces in place prior to the season; and his GM had the best draft class of the year. Geno thriving due to his effort and playing in a good situation/envirionment. It's great if you can get a super talented/elite prospect like Trevor at the top of the draft. But, if you can't you nab one of those early, teams can find solid starters after the first round if the team is well constructed and is able to put the player in a good situation to start their career.

I believe "any QB" in the NFL would enjoy playing with an offensive guru like Sean Payton. I really can't blame Russell for wanting him to come to Denver. Payton is one of the guys in the league who could probably revive Wilson's career and make everyone forget about his nightmarish 2022 campaign.

Payton may not be interested in any of those jobs. He'll never spend the money that he's already earned. Plus he's got a cushy job as an analyst at Fox. He can afford to sit out another year (or two) if he wants. After that he can still sign with the Panthers (or Falcons, or Bucs for that matter) and still face the Saints twice per year. You're right about our needs but those can be filled via FA. Payton's offensive mind is respected by the players in the NFL. I'm sure there are veteran WR's and TE's that would strongly consider coming here if he took over the team in 2023. His reputation may be able to lure some defensive players as well. A brilliant offensive coach can make life a lot easier for those who play on the other side of the ball.

Normally you wouldn't. But as someone pointed out, the Saints would hate to see him sit out until their rights to his services expire and they get no compensation from him. If Payton goes to the Panthers in the 2023, the draft choice(s) they'd receive would offset to some degree his decision to coach a division rival. And let's be honest. The Saints need a QB. A first rounder in 2023 or 2024, or a package of lower picks could be used to acquire a young QB to lead the team in the foreseeable future.

I was about to type the same thing until I saw your post. Honestly, I think they may well be on the way to building something special in Detroit. That franchise has been mediocre for so long that I'd like to see them succeed. With Rodgers aging, the Vikings continously falling short when it matters most, and the Bears being the Bears, the Lions could rule that division for the next several years.

I'm about to have lunch and I have Colin Cowherd on in the background. He just spoke about how well Daboll has done this year in NY. He even insinuated that some of Josh Allen's turnovers and bad decision making is a result of not having Daboll in Buffalo to reign him in a bit with his coaching. He also said teams with a good coach/QB combination will always be competitive. We need to first find a coach (an offensive minded one I hope); and then let him pick the QB that he wants to work with. If he wants a guy in this draft we should try get him. If he has reservations, we need to trust his judgment. You don't want a a new coach straddled with a QB he feels uncomfortable working with.

It could be both sir. I definitely think the latter suggestion in your post is part of it. If minorities are interviewed and don't get hired the Franchise/Owner can always say "We gave him an opportunity, but the other guy was better suited or qualified." But let's look at this from another angle. A minority guy who might not normally get an interview could come in an ace the interview. So much so that the owner and GM are blown away and could say, "He may not have been my first choice but this guy is special. I'd hate to see him end up coaching another team in the NFL." From what I remember, the Steelers had that type of experience with Tomlin when he interviewed for that job almost two decades ago he still hasn't had a losing season.

I feel that the Rooney was well intentioned. A lot of guys have received interviews who wouldn't have if it were not in place. But, I understand your viewpoint. Let's say I was a minority candidate who specializes in defense. An owner is looking to hire a coach and he's already showed signs that he has a guy in mind or wants a offensive minded coach. I wouldn't want to waste my time interviewing for the position just because he has to "interview an A.A/Hispanic/Asian " to be in compliance with the Rooney Rule. I'd only go if I thought that particular franchise would be a good place to work as defensive staff coach and I wanted to get my foot in the door. This reminds me of 2018. I was disappointed with the way Mr. Richardson handled the "G.M." search after he axed Gettlemen. He interviewed 3 A.A. candidates (Martin Mayhew, Lake Dawson, and Jimmy Raye III), Ryan Cowden, and Marty Hurney, who was serving as interim GM. We all know how that turned out in the end. Those interviews were a sham and were conducted to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Yet, the draft pick thing has some flaws as well. Something seems weird about saying that you get more draft choices because your hired a minority coach. We could have been scheduled to get pick 66, but lose it to another team because they hired Leftwhich or Beienemy. Or, imagine hiring a minority who is the 2nd coming of a Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, the 2 Bills (Parcells or Belichik), Shula, or Gibbs and pair him with a shrewd GM. He'll come in with several extra bullets in the chamber and could dominate the league in a matter of years

I would like to clarify something that I may not have made clear in an earlier post. If a player is hurt (especially if the injury is knee related) I am not in favor of him playing and risking further or possibly permanent damage. I took issue with people saying the reason Lamar isn't playing because the Ravens refuse give him a good deal. First, Lamar could really be hurt and may need to sit until he's healthy. Second, it's not fair though to say the Ravens should have given him a deal already. They offered him a deal and he turned it down. If I were in his shoes I wouldn't have stepped on the field without a deal in 2022. But, I also wouldn't have insisted on "getting what Deshaun got". If I got something in the range of what Allen, Prescott, Murray, Mahomes, etc were averaging per year I would have taken it. However, I may have asked for a short deal so I could renegotiate it after the 3rd year.

I don't think everyone would do what Lamar is doing. It depends on their mentality. Some people care more about than anything. Others don't. Lamar has already made $32,774, 549. He's not exactly starving. If I were in his situation knew I was assured of making anywhere between $150-200 million over the next 4-5 years while I was still in my mid 20's (Lamar is only 26) I could care less about "setting the market". I'd more concerned about pleading with ownership to get some players so I can get the one thing missing on my resume, A SB ring. Most of us saw that game last night. If Lamar had played last night and had a Tyreek Hill, Justin Jefferson, or a Cooper Cupp to play along side his TE Mark Edwards I don't think the Bengals would have beat them last night. The back up ,Huntley, may have won that game going away if he had a big threat WR and he's not even as good as Lamar. Jackson is a freak of nature. Add another couple of freakish WR's to go along with that power running game and they can go toe to toe with anyone in the AFC at home or on the road. He'd be 30 or 31 when that deal expired. Barring injury, he'd be young enough to get another blockbuster deal. I wouldn't want to play for chump change (relative to QB's of course). But I think I could scrape by $40 mil per year and the huge signing bonus I'd receive up front.

I tend to agree to with you to point. My issue is with the disparity between QB salaries and the rest of the positions. One guy shouldn't be taking 25% of the cap when you have 52 other guys to play. If everyone's salary was rising at the same rate in proportion with revenue and the salary the league would be a lot better. You'd have less cap casualties and these 22-26 year olds wouldn't have so much pressure to win SBs on their rookie deals before it's time to "pay them".

Yo The greed of NFL QBs and their agents and idiot ownership is what is upsetting the balance of the league. I have no problem with the best person at his position setting the market. I have a problem with the next man up setting the market because it leads to financial chaos. The Watson deal was dumb. One owners foolishness shouldn't determine the salary structure for the entire NFL. Guys are wanting 50 mil a year to play QB on a 53 man roster with a salary cap of approximately $200 million. That doesn't make sense on any level. It's unfortunate that guys get cut before the contract expires, but those guys aren't walking away empty handed. They get huge signing bonuses up front and a significant portion of those contracts are guaranteed. I heard one former GM all big contracts are essentially 3-4 deals. That's not the worst thing when you're making millions of dollars over that time period.

He was already under contract for the 2022 season. What's courageous about honoring the last year of a deal that you signed after you refused a generous contract extension?

Didn’t they make a couple of solid offers that he turned down because he wanted more money and a fully guaranteed contract. How is this entirely on the Ravens?

Your point is valid to a point. But you have to also consider the following points. 1) We didn’t exactly have a genius holding down the GM spot when those guys were drafted. Hurney signed two running backs to max deals in a passing league. He would trade away first round picks to move up in later rounds. Marty wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer when it came to building a competitive roster. 2) We’ve never had an offensive head coach in our 27 year history. Some of those guys may have had panned out with solid coaching, or may not have been drafted in the first place because a good coach may have realized that they just didn’t have it.

Just look at how well Goff progressed from 2021 to 2022 with Johnson as his coordinator. I’d risk taking a QB high in the draft if an offensive mastermind was tutoring the guy. We’ve never really had that in Carolina because of our insistence on hiring defensive coaches. If we drafted a QB in round one (or later) I’d feel comfortable. I don’t think Johnson would draft a guy that he didn’t think would be a competent In his system. I also believe he’s the type of guy who could get the most out of Sam Darnold “if” we resigned him to hold things down until our new guy was ready. Or, he could be a guy that could develop Matt Corrall into a legitimate starter. I think most of us would be on board with this scenario, but it would suck for Detroit. A small part of me would like to see the product that He and Dan Campbell would put on the field if they had another couple of years together.

The Eagles won a Super Bowl without Carson Wentz while using a backup. He’s fallen off the radar these days, but Nick Foles had a nice run down the stretch to lead them over Brady and Belichek. Pederson’s scheme and that team in general was tailor made for Foles, who always played well in Philly for some reason but not nearly as good elsewhere.

It depends on the mindset of the individuals. It’s not always about the money for some people. 1) He may genuinely love the college life and wants go for another shot at a national title. 2) He may feel that there are things about his game that need improvement or he believes he could benefit from reps he’d get over the course of another season 3) He could have a desire to be one of the all time greats and doesn’t want to start his career already behind the eight ball. The past/current history of the Texans isn’t that impressive, especially in terms of how things ended for their 1st round QBs (David Carr and Deshaun Watson). And, the roster leaves a lot to be desired. Can anyone on this board name 4 players on either side of the ball. I know I can’t. I see your point. But if I were in his shoes I’d strongly consider staying for another year if I knew the Texans (or a woeful franchise in general) were determined to get pick me in the top 3-5 picks and it was within my power to keep that from happening. What good is all the money in the world if you hate going to work everyday because your team sucks or you wake up everyday in constant pain because of the beating you take week in and week out (ex: David Carr and Andrew Luck)?

In theory, I agree with both of you. If a good prospect is on the board when we pick, or if we can made a reasonable deal to move up and take one I’d be all in. My original post said we shouldn’t reach on a questionable player. If the top 5 rated QBs in this draft were Jamarcus Russell, Josh Rosen, Ryan Leaf, David Klinger, and Andre Ware I’d be a little weary of selecting one of them in the top 10. Yet, there are guys on this board who would jump out of a window if we didn’t select one of them screaming “You only find franchise QBs in the top 10 in the draft! We need to tank next year to make sure we get one!” If a team 1) lacks depth and solid players on both sides or the ball, 2) has mediocre/bad coaching or a Stone Age mentality in terms of their offensive scheme, and 3) an incompetent front office it doesn’t matter who is behind center. You won’t win consistently. All of the teams that compete for the playoffs on a consistent basis tend to have all of the above (or at least 2 of the 3) in place. A later round choice who puts in the work, who is coachable, and has above average if not elite talent, can thrive in the above environment. Unfortunately we’ve never had all 3 in place. We’ve never had an offensive minded head coach. The passing game tends to take a backseat to the rushing attack because of the mindset of out defensive oriented head coaches. Our front office as a whole tends to do well in the top of the draft, but for most or existence we had Hurney running too many of our drafts and he was terrible after the blue chip prospects were off the board. All of the above results in never having back to back winning seasons in 28 NFL seasons.

Due to his injury Lance is not currently starting so I left him off the list. Lance is on the roster, but let’s be honest. Over the last two years his presence/play has not significantly affected the 49ers regular season and playoff status. If they hadn’t drafted him they would still have two playoff draft appearances, all of those Draft choices they gave up to acquire him, and still be poised to move forward for the next several seasons with a young QB on a rookie deal.

That sir is an interesting piece of information. Any chance you could list those guys for an enquiring mind?

Which means he more than likely would avoid going to a terrible team like the Houston Texans. It doesn’t really matter where a QB get drafted in the first round compared to the other guys in his class. What matters is where you go. You think Lamar Jackson is upset that Mayfield, Darnold, and Josh Rosen was taken before him in 2018? He went to a better organization despite being drafted later and has been far more successful than the above 3 players.