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What you are saying isn't always true and I'll give you several examples to demonstrate this. 1) The best player on the board at the end of in round 1 by all consensus is RB (top 15 player in draft who slips b/c of the devaluation of the RB position). Your team is in desperate need of a LT because the current one is getting your QB killed. You already have a serviceable RB in place. The LT has a 2nd round grade and you have the first pick on day 2 of the draft Who do you choose? 2) Your run defense was abysmal the previous season. A DT in round 2 does not provide much in terms of pass rush, but most reports have him rated as the best pure run stuffing DT in the draft. The two highest rated players on your board at the time are a TE and tweener at OLB/DE who slipped into round 2 after a run on WR's. Who do you choose? 3) Your pass rush rush is solid across the board. You even have guy coming off of the bench to provide production. Your secondary in below average. No Safety on the roster is a difference maker and as a unit the squad doesn't have an INT. The highest rated player on the board is a DE. The 5th highest rated player on the board is a an intelligent ball hawking Safety. Which player would make the team immediately better? 1) I think the BPA logic applies when your team is solid across the board and you can afford to draft for depth 2) I think it also applies when your team stinks and any solid player will be an immediate upgrade over what you already have. I agree that you should NEVER reach for a player when you are need at a position like we did for Bryce Young. But I also think if there's is a player on the board that will fill a glaring weakness you need to take him even if a player with a higher over all ranking is available at another position (which isn't a need)

Everyone (I'm not just focusing on you sir) seems to think that trade set the team back for a decade. It really didn't. Scott F was a terrible GM. I do not think for one minute that we would have turned those trades into draft gold. All you have to do is look at this draft record. Fitterer had the top pick in the 2023 draft and blew it. We've passed over players we could have used in each of his drafts to trade down and pick up gems like TMJ . Other times he'd trade up a pick gems like Matt Corrall and DJ Johnson . He probably would have used those picks to acquire more picks in lower rounds and choose the players with the highest RAS scores. I think the season before Burns left he literally had about 1/3 of our sacks. I said it would be a bad idea to not resign him if you didn't have a player (or players) on the roster to replace that production. To this day we still don't have a consistent pass rusher off the edge on either side. Our lack of of a pass rush is arguably our biggest weakness on defense.

There are several reasons you shouldn't consider a TE in the 2026 draft, especially during the first two days. 1) Canales offenses do not place a very high priority on the TE. You can look at his coaching history to notice this trend. 2) We've spent back to back #1 picks on WR's (TMac/XL). We also have players who have shown potential like Jalen Coker and Brycen Tramayne at the same position. All of our RB's can catch the ball out of the backfield. There's only so many touches these guys are going to get per game, especially if we run the ball 50% of the time (which we should). I can't see any TE making major contribution to our offense over the next couple of seasons. 3) Our defense has too many needs to take a TE over a top defensive prospect. We have 11 sacks on the year and 6 of those came last week against the worst team in the NFL. We have 6 INTs in 2025. One player (J.Horn) has half of them and 2 of those also came last week. None of our safties has an INT this season. Our LB's are looking better recently., but we really could use an impact player at ILB if we continue to run this 3-4 scheme. 4) BY is still an underwhelming presence at QB. I'd rather spend a high choice on a QB than a TE based on our current passing game.

That's a good analysis. He's not a RB that you can really build an offense around. But, if he was starting behind a solid O-line, and on a contending team, he'd be a perennial 1,000 yard back during his prime with 16-18 carries per game.

I honestly didn't know that Jimmy G was still in the NFL

Rico (5'll/215) also has a more violent running style which enables him to run thru contact despite only outweighing Chuba (6'/210) by 5 lbs.

Both guys had over 1,000 yards rushing last season on their respective teams. I think Dowdle has clearly been the more dominant back in 2025, but it's not like Chuba is a scrubb. He's rushed over 2,000 yards combined in the past 2 seasons. I'm one who believes both guys can be alternated throughout the game to create one of the most dominant rushing attacks in the NFL. Imagine how effective they'd be if our best 2 run-blocking guards weren't injured.

This team is much more effective offensively when we run the ball. We should be calling run plays at minimum 30 times a game. Chuba hasn't had more than 17 carries in a game all year season. Dowdle is the more effective back at this time and needs to get around 20 carries a game. Chuba should get the rest. Both guys are capable catching the ball out of the backfield so either is capable of playing on 3rd down. At the end of the season you may have a problem though. Rico is a year older than Chuba. Would it be wise to try to bring Rico back with a new deal at 28 with Chuba already under contract for the next several years?

Its hard to make the playoffs when your QB is significantly less talented in terms of physical attributes than the other QBs in their division (NFC South). Its practically impossible when your QB is physically less talented than every starting QB than nearly every QB in the entire NFC. A shorter QB can succeed if he has the arm strength, accuracy, and head knowledge to execute the game plan. Bryce is severely lacking in the first two beyond the 10 yard range and that's what is hurting the team on offense. If he could improve those two attributes I think he could excel in the NFL and our team would be a playoff contender. But, at this stage in his career I don't think things are likely to change.

You and I will have to agree to disagree on this topic.

The Jets are in similar situation with the Panthers. They have some talented players on both sides of the ball but they don't have a QB that can lead a strong passing game. In most weeks they enter an game outmatched at the leagues most important position and that's not a recipe for success in the NFL.

I see you didn't accept my challenge. Let's just limit this discussion to the NFC. Given me a team in NFC East (Dallas, Washington. Philadelphia, or NY) that would take Bryce over their current starter. How about the NFC North (Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit, or Chicago) How about the NFC West (LA, SF, Seattle, Arizona) In the NFC South he'd never beat out Mayfield or Pennix. Outside of New Orleans, what team in the NFC has a current starting QB that Bryce would beat out in a fair competition?

Denver scored over 30 points today and I think all of them were put up in the 4th quarter. Bryce could have never orchestrated a comeback like that. Bo Nix led his team to the playoffs in his rookie season in a division with Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert. He threw 29.TD last season. He had more TDs in his rookie year than Bryce has in almost 2.5 years as a starter. I'd say Denver fans have reason to feel optimistic about their young QB's potential and the success of the team as a whole. The most important piece of the puzzle is in place there. You can't say the same thing for Carolina.

With the possible exception of the Jets and Titans, 1) give me team in the NFL that would see an immediate improvement in their passing game if Bryce became their starter. What team would he make better just by having Bryce line up under center? 2) List 5 starting QBs in the NFL that are less productive than Bryce (injured starters do not count). Based on his career so far, I can't think of one team in the NFC with a starter that he could beat out in a fair competition. He wouldn't start on any team in the NFC East, NFC North, or NFC West. The only team that he could possibly have a shot at earning some playing time would be New Orleans b/c he never beat out Mayfield or Pennix.

Bryce is easily one of the 5 worst starting QBs in the NFL. You could take a starting QB from almost any team in the NFL, make him our starter, and our passing offense would immediately improve. I would love to see Bryce succeed. Our team has sucked for years and we gave up a fool's ransom to acquire him. That's one of the reasons I watch the games every week. I keep hoping that he's going to show something to justify taking him in the 1st round. After 2.5 seasons, I still don't see anything in his game that shows that he's a franchise QB. You really can't build a Panther team around Bryce's talent to win in this league. You need to build a strong team that's able to win despite limitations. A QB with that type of game is not worth $50 mil a year (the going rate for starting QB's on their 2nd deal these days). Carolina has a MAJOR DECISION to make at the end of his 3rd year. If his play doesn't DRASTICALLY improve over the next 2 seasons then then FO needs to part ways with him and find a formidable QB. If we extend him and he continues to play at this level then we will be in QB purgatory for the rest of the decade.

I bet there half a dozen guys sitting on the bench who could come and immediately improve our offense by outplaying Bryce Young.

I wouldn't give up a Day 1 or Day 2 pick to acquire a QB this season or the next. But, I'd wouldn't hesitate at all to part with a Day 3 pick (rounds 4-7) to acquire a serviceable QB wasting his career sitting on another teams bench if I believed he had the potential: 1) to complete 65%of his passes 2) Minimize turnovers 3) threaten all 3 levels of the defense 4) eclipse 200 yards passing on a regular basis.

Bryce is lined up in Shotgun on almost every passing play and you rarely see him drop back with his back to the LT. He drops back in a straight line which results in him having to use extra motion to make his throws. He rarely lets the ball go in rhythm when he hits the top of his drop like QBs are supposed to do in a well coordinated passing attack. For the record, I'd much rather have the 2023 Tampa offense than the 2025 Panther offense. We rank 23rd in points per game. Mayfield had 28 TD/10 INTS in 2023 and led his team to the playoffs. If Bryce put up number like this the Panthers would be a legitimate playoff threat. Baker had more TDs in 2023 than Bryce has in in almost 2.5 years as our starting QB. Bryce went number one over all, but there isn't a team in the NFL that would give up a #1 (or #2) in a trade to get him.

The Jets are winless this season & one of the few teams in the NFL with a starting QB worse than ours; and we still only won this game by 7 points. The defense played well, but our offense should have had the team well ahead in the 4th quarter. The Jets still had a chance to tie this game on their last possession. If the Jets had started Tyrod Taylor they very well could have won this game. This victory wasn't nearly as impressive as the last two.

Canlaes has a starting QB that is mediocre to average at best so he is limited and what he can call Young is somewhat effective passing the ball when a strong running game is able to keep the defense honest. When he rolls out he's able to see the field a better and at times he's able to have some success in the passing game. Young really isn't that good in any other situations. He can't play under center and turn his back to the defense like the other 98% of the QB's in the NFL. He too small to see over the lineman. And unlike small QBs like Doug Flutie and Kyler Murray he doesn't have cannon to launch the ball downfield. As one poster noted in another thread, when a QB can't threaten the defense at all 3 levels of defense you are limited to what you can call. I'd love to see what type of offense we'd have under Canales if he had Mayfield, Darnold, or Drake May under center.

Not allowing Canales to bring in a legit QB to compete for the starting job would be yet another bad Tepper decision. We have to many glaring needs on defense so I would use that first pick on defense. If a promising prospect dropped into round 2 I’d take him in a heartbeat. If he was talented he probably be ready to start in 2027, and possibly sooner if the counties to improve on both sides of the ball.

Tepper tends to make bad decisions, so I think he’ll probably at minimum pick up the 5th year option just to save face. I’d decline it if I were in charge. I’d let him play out the 4th year. If he excelled I’d consider franchising him to see if he could do it 2 years in a row. Only then would I even consider a long term deal. If he was insulted thats fine because I’d already have a potential back up already on the roster who I had drafted early in the 2026 or 2027 draft or acquired by trade.

I think he has more upside than Tremble or Sanders.