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Note: This was posted earlier under a different thread. I didn't realize this thread was on the forum until this morning. Derrick Brown is about to enter his 3rd season. Unless he makes a drastic improvement with his on the field performance in 2022, there is no way I'd pick up his 5th year option for 2024. I'd go into 2023 with a plan to let him walk at the end of the year. A DT should not be drafted in the TOP 10 unless he's a pass rushing force like Warren Sapp, Aaron Darnold, Randy White, Mean Joe Green, John Randall), an immovable force in the run game, or a very good balance between the two. Derrick Brown has yet to prove he's either one. He's an ok player, but if he weren't on the team would we really be that much worse? DB seems to be a more of a complimentary player in/on a good defense, not a centerpiece to build around. We could have found someone later in the draft who would have played just as well. I think we'll have to address DT in the next two years unless he balls out in 2022.

Derrick Brown is about to enter his 3rd season. Unless he makes a drastic improvement with his on the field performance in 2022, there is no way I'd pick up his 5th year option for 2024. I'd go into 2023 with a plan to let him walk at the end of the year. A DT should not be drafted in the TOP 10 unless he's a pass rushing force like Warren Sapp, Aaron Darnold, Randy White, Mean Joe Green, John Randall), an immovable force in the run game, or a very good balance between the two. Derrick Brown has yet to prove he's either one. He's an ok player, but if he weren't on the team would we really be that much worse? DB seems to be a more of a complimentary player in/on a good defense, not a centerpiece to build around. We could have found someone later in the draft who would have played just as well. I think we'll have to address DT in the next two years unless he balls out in 2022.

Rodgers wasn't taken until after the 20th pick. Lamar Jackson was taken at the end of the first round. Drew Brees was a high second round choice. I think Favre was taken in the 2nd as well. Russel Wilson lasted until the 3rd round. Dak Prescott was a 4 rounder. Brady lasted to the 6th round. Kurt Warner and Tony Romo weren't even drafted. You don't have to pick in the top 10 to get a franchise QB. There are people on the forum so desperate to get a QB that they'd draft me if I were the highest ranked QB coming out even though I'd arguably be the worst QB in NFL history using the logic "We may not be picking in the top 10 next year"

I may not have explained myself well. I realize generational QBs are rare. But, there are guys that come out who are considered legitimate 1st round choices. I haven’t watched much NCAA this year. I’m only going by what pundits, and some Huddlers have said…that there isn’t a QB good enough to go in the top 10 in the 1st round THIS YEAR. Sam Darnold, Mitch Trabinsky, Christian Ponder, Jake Locklear, Jamarcus Russell, etc were not good enough to go in the first round, but they were taken because some front office felt “we need to take a QB in the first round “ so let’s use our high draft choice and get a franchise QB while we can. We see how those choice turned out.

Shaq B should be expected get the upper hand against a 3rd round rookie a LT starting at the position for the first time. I don’t think BC played great, but it went better than I thought it would. Barrett had a sack and one QB hit. I think he would have done even more damage if Erving had started.

I agree with you to a point. Thing is, we’d have a better idea of just how good BC is if Rhule had played him at his natural position earlier in this season…or started him at one of the guard positions for most of the season since he feels his arms are “too short” to play Left Tackle.

A lot of those sacks came right up the gut. The interior lineman did not block well today.

I’m glad you started this thread. I was curious to see how the Huddle would assess BC’s performance. I thought he held up ok in his first start at LT , against one of the best pass rushes in the game, while blocking for arguably the worst passing offense in the NFL.

If a Peyton Manning, John Elway, Andrew Luck type player is on the board you need to grab him. No one questions that. This year there isn’t that type of QB available so it would be wise to nab a top rated lineman while we can. If you think you can find two offensive line starters later in the 1st or 2nd round I’d trade the pick to get some extra draft choices. One of the the worst thing you can do is overdraft a quarterback in the top 10.

None of us want Sam for the long term. We all know we need someone else to lead us the rest of the decade if we intend to be successful. We're saying that if we're paying 18 mil he might as well play until we (hopefully) find a replacement after 2022. I don't think a top FA will want to come here next season. We don't have a promising QB on the roster, and this is a down year in terms of top college QB prospects. It is suppose to be a good year for lineman. Use our picks there and roll with Darnold in 2022. The QB job will much more desirable in Carolina if a new QB had a good blocking line protecting him.

I'm not a Sam Darnold fan. I wasn't high on him coming out of USC. I saw the flaws in his game. Still, I cringed when he got picked by the Jets. Some 21 year old kids can handle the transition to the NFL almost immediately (Wilson, Flacco , Ryan, Herbert), but for most their is some struggle (just look at this year's 1st round class). Putting a turnover prone QB like Darnold in the media capital of the world with a coach like Adam Gase was a disaster in the making. Then he comes to Carolina, a team with one of the worst O-lines in the league, and an offense where players around the league say they know what routes we're running before then ball is snapped didn't exactly set him for success. Losing CMAC only made things worse. Darnold should have never been a first round pick. Talent wise he seemed more like a 2nd/3rd rounder who should have had time to sit on the bench and given time to learn the game from the sidelines and QB room for his first couple of years in the league.

What you said is true. No one is disputing that. But, let's be honest. Darnold has played behind some atrocious offensive lines in NY and Carolina. He doesn't appear to have received stellar coaching either. That's a lot to put on guy who is still only 25( I think) This year Sam, PJ, and Cam have literally had to run for the lives one second after snapping the ball. How can anyone process the field when they barely have time to set their feet? I We all know Darnold has all the physical tools to play the position. We all know that he's a tough guy. So far he hasn't mastered the mental aspects of the position. Still I have the nagging thought that just won't go away. If he ever landed with a team/coach with a talent for grooming QBs (Walsh, Reid, McVey) he just might become a viable QB in the NFL.

I'm not a fan of the current state of affairs in Charlotte, but I can't say I'm surprised. Let's be honest, Cam has lost his last 12 starts for the team. His one win came in a game he didn't start. I don't think he's done anything to indicate that the team should build around him. He can't push the ball down field consistently anymore. He may actually play better if he isn't behind center the entire game. As for Darnold, you're stuck with him next year. I don't think this is the year to get a QB in the draft so it may not be the worst thing to see what he can do with BC starting at left tackle. If Brady plays well for the rest of the season, then we'll be set at the tackle positions and can use the draft to get the best interior lineman on the board. With a rebuilt line in 2022, Darnold may actually play better and the hold the fort until we can acquire a franchise guy in 2023-2024

I've experienced Brady fatigue for over a decade so I just had to chime in when I saw this error. Mr. Brady has lost THREE SUPERBOWLS. Eli and the NY Giants beat him TWICE...and Doug's Peterson's Eagles beat him a couple of years ago. If he ever losses another SB, Brady will own the most record for most SB wins and be tied with Jim Kelly for the most SB losses. IF he gets back to another SB I sincerely hope he gets the latter mark.

I agree with you about the O-line being the top priority even if Pickett falls to us. No QB can really excel behind the guys we currently have. Thing is, we still don't know exactly what we need to do this off-seasson. Rhule should have started B. Christensen by mid-season at Tackle (or dare I say it ...guard) to determine what he could give us. If he had succeeded at either spot we'd know that one position was taken care of. If Deonte Brown had been given an opportunity and played well at guard, we'd have two spots nailed down. Then we could have focused on Center, and a tackle (or guard position). At the current time, we don't know what we have in either player. To make matters worse if we take a lineman in round one, we won't pick again until round 4 (barring some trades). I don't see Carolina being a prime spot for prime free agents this year. It's going to be hard to significantly improve or line if we don't get some good play form B.C and D.Brown in 2022. If those two guys became solid starters along with Moton and a 2022 1st round lineman, I'm inclined to believe that every QB currently on the roster would improve next season just by being able to set their feet for more than 1 second on passing plays. This could maybe put us in play to get a franchise QB in 2023 if we don't do so this offseason.

https://fansided.com/2021/12/19/nfl-hot-seat-matt-rhule-joe-judge/3/ Look at where he ranks on the top 3 coaches on the hot seat after weak 15

In theory I agree with you. We don't have a pick on Day 2 of the draft. After our first round pick we don't select again until round 4. If we could get a later 1 and pick up a high 3rd rounder it would make sense on paper. However, I don't trust the FO/coaching staff to select the right guy(s) or even let them see the field if they do (ie Brady Christensen)

I thought he was gonna dump it off to the guy in the flat in front of Klein. I dropped my head as soon as the ball left his hand.

This season has been a disaster. Despite everything that went wrong a tiny/miniscule part of my conscience was saying "maybe Rhule deserves one more year" to see if he can turn things around. After today's debacle, I think it's time to cut bait. I don't see how any objective person can look at the last two seasons and say "we have the guy at HC who can help us win championships". This offensive line is embarrassing. He has let our a 3rd round pick sit on the bench apparently for the entire game (I missed the 1st quarter). John Miller has played poorly at guard today. If BC's short arms disqualify him from playing LT, could you at least put him in at guard to see if it would possibly help Cam from being killed today? Never thought I'd be saying this, but we need to follow the example down in Jacksonville and admit that we need a new captain to steer this sinking ship.

And Matt Rhule won't start our rookie 3rd round LT because his arms about and inch shorter than he thinks they should be.

Cam has NO time to set his feet on his throws. He threw that TD pass off balance and falling backwards. This O-line is a disgrace. I literally get nervous every time takes a snap from the center on a passing play against this pass rush.

The wideouts are playing ok Our TE's are pretty much a non factor... AGAIN. I can't figure out why this team doesn't do more to integrate them into the passing game . If they were legitimate passing options in our offense they could be security blankets for our QBs and open up things down the field.

What kind of call was that. Chubby on 3rd and 3 against.that defense? He ain't exactly Derrick Henry.

It boils down the our major weakness since 2018, a lack of consistent QB play. Some unpreventable...and some due to poor personnel evaluations. Cam got hurt midway thru 2018 and we had to rely on a backup. Cam only played two games in 2019. Ended the season with a backup. We had Teddy Bridgewater in 2020. He's not the worse QB on the NFL by a longshot. But, he isn't exactly Mr.Clutch. Carolina lost 8 games by one score or less on 2020 with a shot to win each one one in the 4th quarter and Teddy couldn't manage one win. We pinned our hopes on Sam Darnold in 2021. He became a turnover machine after week 3. PJ Walker has a live arm but he throws too many INTs and and doesn't know how/when to give up on a play. Cam is far removed from his 2015 MVP season, and he joined the team in the middle of the season which makes it even more difficult for him. I think all of the above would have benefit from a better O-line. But, they have all made some bad throws and poor decisions that have cost us some games. The upper echelon QBs would be more successful here despite the O-line deficiencies because they have the ability to elevate the play of their teammates. None of our QBs have been able to do that since 2018.

I’m hoping he makes more impact on the field during the last quarter of the season and the momentum can carry over into breakout in season 3. I hate to be negative, but I was never crazy about the Brown pick in 2020. Perhaps my expectations were too high. But, if I take a DT in the top 10, then I’m expecting a game wrecker who can collapse the pocket on a regular basis or a guy can literally stuff a run game as an immovable force. I don’t see Brown as a player who does either of the above…at least not yet. If his current level of play continues I think you seriously have to consider whether or not to start looking for a replacement for him at DT after year 5 of the rookie contract is completed. You can find someone to replace him in couple of years who can do the job he does for a whole lot less money. I can’t even conceive of giving him a big money deal for a 2nd contract based on what we’ve seen so far.