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Since 1980 (non Brady & non 1st round QB's to win SB's) Joe Montana (3rd Round) 1981, 1984, 1988, 1989 Jeff Hostetler (3rd) 1990 Mark Rypien (6th) 1991 Brett Favre (2nd) 1996 Kurt Warner (undrafted) 1999 Brad Johnson (9th) 2001 Drew Brees (2nd) 2009 Russell Wilson (3rd) 2013 Nick Foles (3rd) 2017 QB's drafted after round 1 have started a fair number of SB's as well. I didn't have time to post that list...but maybe later.

So he's a MLB. I was wondering whether he was an ILB or OLB. Thank you for clearing that up. I'm not able to watch the draft. I just got/saw a notice on my phone and saying Panthers draft LB from Penn State via trade.

I actually wish he'd go on the first or second pick tonight so we can stop talking about him.

We've had a major hole at LT for years, so I'd probably pick a LT just to solidify the o-line going forward. That said, The draft is always a crapshoot. There's no guarantee any of the players in the top 10 are going to pan out. If the team could trade back and net 2 or 3 starters before round 4 instead of only one, then I think you make the deal. My problem with trade backs is you can miss out on who you're targeting. One team/GM can make an unexpected move by taking your guy and leave you severely disappointed. Also, we traded back a loy last year, and so far we don't have a lot to show for it. Extra picks are useless if you pick the wrong players or fail to develop them into meaningful contributers.

This is why I understand the rationale for trading down to pick up additional choices in the 2nd and/or 3rd round. Teams are going to find some really solid players in the draft after the 1st round is finished. Let's be honest, if BC or one of our other lineman had proven to be capable in 2021 and we weren't desperate for a LT for the 2022 season, how many players in this years class do you think we'd be all hyped up for? I don't see any can't miss/superstar players in this draft class based on the scouting reports and college resumes, although I know some will end up excelling if placed in the right situation.

One off season (I forget which one) Matt Rhule hung out with Jimmy Johnson down in Florida. Jimmy's philosophy (and understandable when you ponder it) is that it's good to have as many draft choices as possible on draft day. 1) All teams have draft busts. The more picks you have the more the greater the chance of finding solid players for the team. 2) It allows you to manipulate the draft board by moving up...or down...to get a player you want if he' left on the board. Everything is all good when you land studs and overlooked players after the first two rounds. I think our FO got a little too cute in round 2. We could have drafted a LT in our initial spot. Instead we opted to trade down and the T we were targeting got picked right ahead us, so we traded down again...and picked a WR that we didn't need and failed to develop. In round 3 Brady was the highest rated lineman on our board that was still available so we took him. We ended up passing on about seven guys (at C, G, or T) who would have been tremendous upgrades on our line from day one.

That wouldn’t be a bad scenario. I just don’t think Carson Strong will be on the board when we pick in the 4th round.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33815120/source-jacksonville-jaguars-franchise-tagged-lt-cam-robinson-reach-three-year-54m-extension It looks like we will likely have a shot at one of the top 3 tackles (Neal, Cross, or Ekwon) in the draft tomorrow night. The Jags just gave Cam Robinson a 3 year extension to lock down their LT spot. It’s highly unlikely they’ll be taking a LT with the first pick. All three tackles would have to go between picks 2 and 5 for us to miss out on one at the #6 spot. I don’t see that happening. Now, we just have to see if the front office is content to stay put and solidly the line, take a risk on a questionable rookie QB, or allow a team move up to get us an additional pick (or picks).

Despite the downturn in Dallas, we still only lost that game by 8 points. Sam was 26-39/301yds/2 TDs/2 INTS. It was the play after that game that became so concerning. I still think having McAdoo and Campen on the coaching staff is going to help whomever we put behind center in 2022; be it Darnold or another vet, or a rookie ( Pickett or Willis). The offense was predictable last season. Our 2nd half woes (the 3rd quarter in particular) aren't all on the QB's. I was glad to see Brady leave town. The pass blocking was atrocious. There were some games I trembled each me Sam, Cam, or PJ took a snap on passing plays. I'll be shocked if we don't substantially improve our offensive performance in 2022 with the new coaching additions.

I'm not a prophet, but based on what I've seen of the last year's QB class, I think Willis and Pickett will be just as successful (IMHO...more successful) than Wilson, Fields, or Jones. I haven't seen enough of Lance to have an opinion on him at this time.

I wouldn't necessarily make that selection, but I wouldn't be crushed if we did. If Hamilton lives up to his potential, putting him on the back end with Jeremy Chinn could result in us having the safety combo in the league for the next 3-5 years. Unfortunately, it wouldn't help us on the offensive side of the ball (by far our weakest area) so I'd have to pass.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. If you take Lawrence out of last year's class, it really wasn't all that great. Trey Lance practically red-shirted the season so he's a huge question mark and gets a pass. Wilson, Fields, and Jones (the best of the last 3 in terms of production) did nothing to make me think we crippled the franchise for the rest of the decade by passing on them. Next to QB, LT is arguably the position with the biggest "bust potential" in terms of the draft. How many times have we seen highly touted LT's quickly flame out in the NFL or get "moved to guard" because they can't hold up on the outside? But, the pundits would have you believe that 5 or 6 of the LT's in this draft will be perennial Pro Bowlers. I like the excitement of the draft as much as the next guy, but yeah, there is too much hype surrounding it these days. I wish the league hadn't moved it further back in April.

If Fitterer can trade back, pick up extra choices and stay in the top 15 I think most of us would be inclined (or at least understand the rationale )to make the deal. I just don't think the fans and pundits (like Josh Norris) can go into this draft assuming someone is going to want trade up to #6 knowing how much they may have to give up in return. Hope for the best, but plan for the worst. If no trade partner emerges you have to be ready to take a LT or QB once you're on the clock. Since teams know we don't pick again until day 3, I could see some front offices refusing to make deals with us just to keep us in our current situation.

I heard a segment on Cowherd's show where he discussed this. I don't remember him saying that he'd draft a QB "every year". But I seem to recall him saying that he'd be drafting a QB in the later rounds at least every couple of years for the reason you stated. There's a chance that some talented guy is being overlooked. Even if he never becomes an entrenched starter, he may be a guy that can become a great back-up or a someone who can be developed and be used for trade bait down the road.

Oops, only 3 were top 6 picks...the Mannings and Stafford. Mahomes was picked at #10 (my bad). We all know that if Stafford has stayed in Detroit he would not be on the list. QB's don't will themselves to SB wins, it takes: 1) Good Front office 2) Good Coaching 3) Talented/Deep roster 4) Soild QB play 5) Good ownership. This an overlooked piece of the puzzle. If an owner is meddlesome, cheap, impatient, or unable to hire the right people He won't be successful in the NFL.

Here's another interesting fact about QB's drafted in the top 10 (or even the the top 6) since 1997. Only 4 have won Super Bowls: The Manning brothers have two each, Mahomes won one in 2019, and Matt Stafford just won one a year ago. Big Ben has a couple but he last until the 11th pick. Those numbers would undoubtedly be a little higher if it weren't for Brady winning 7 rings, but even his success is an indicator that picking a QB in the top 10 is not a sure fire bet to win a SB title.

If we did get an elite LT @ 6, I'd be all for Darnold starting the season. We have a top tier player at RT. We just signed solid players to man the RG and C positions. We could possibly use BC at LG and let him play the whole season at one position. Our line would be significantly better than what we put out there in 2021. On top of that we now have a proven line coach to make them even better. Darnold has one year left. I'd like to see what we can do. If he sucks, cut bait at seasons' end. Going into 2023 we'll have a solid line, all of our high draft choices, and an opportunity to go all in for a QB via the draft, FA, or trade. I always looked at this as a 3 year rebuild, but last year was so bad that we're now a year behind. I'm willing to wait an extra year to make the playoffs if it means we can stay atop the division for the rest of the decade.

Former Cowboy linebacker Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson had a cocaine problem during that time as well. He's publically admitted that he snorted so much cocaine that he had a hole in his septum. As for Brown's issue, I'm sure it may have got him jacked up for games, but it couldn't have helped in the long run.

Why do you feel like he won't get much better? If he's taken this year he's going to inherit a much better situation than Darnold or any rookie would have had in 2021:, new and experienced OC, new O-lineman, and one of the best O-line coaches in football. Pickett has good arm strength & good athletic ability. I can see how some can say a players physical abilities can limit their peak for certain positions (CB, RB, WR, etc) but I've never understood how someone (not just you) can say a "QB" cannot get any better". The great QB's get better because they learn the game and thing slow down for them on the field.

Sometimes history has a way of repeating itself. Larry Brown was an unheralded back entered the NFL in 1969 (the same year as OJ Simpson). Although he was undersized, you can make a strong argument that he was the best running back in the NFL from 1969-1972. During that stretch he made the Pro Bowl every year. He was MVP of the league in 1972, the year the Redskins made the Super Bowl and lost to the undefeated Dolphins. He had another strong season in 1973. After that the injury bug hit him hard. He never had a season with more than a 163 carries or more than 430 yards after 1973. He was out of the league at the end of the 1976 season. Everyone who saw him play says he was great for a short stretch, but Redskin coach George Allen overworked him which shortened his career. CMAC is an all-world (but undersized back). MaCaffrey has a strong case for being the best back in the NFL from 2018-2019. He had a coach that over worked him...and now he can't stay healthy for an entire season. I'm hoping 2022 is the year he bounces back, but his last two injury plaqued seasons really concern me.

I don't know about the Top 10 (which wouldn't surprise me at all), but I think they will all be gone by pick 20, if not 15. I said this in another post, but I'll paraphrase it here. I don't think last year's QB class was that great. If you take Lawrence (who is considered a once in a generation prospect) out of the mix, why are the 4 QBs taken (Lance, Wilson, Fields, and Jones) in 2021 considered so much better than Willis, Pickett, and Corral? I think the latter 3 will have careers just as good (if not better) than any of the guys in the class of 2021, including Lawrence if he's not able to overcome the horrendous situation he inherited in Jacksonville. I'm all for taking a LT at six, but if we went with a QB I wouldn't be upset if we took either of these guys.

We don't know for sure the above two guys are guilty of what you're implying. But, I can definitely understand your reasoning.

Here you go. Ooops! You said Bagles...not Bangles

Sometimes an athlete can put things together years later into his career. I grew up an avid fan of MLB history. I was always intrigued by Sandy Koufax. His W-L as a Dodger pitcher was 36-40 in his first SIX SEASONS. Over the next 6 seasons he went 129-47 and he won 3 CY Young Awards. Sometimes things just click later for some people than others.

If Pickett is taken at #6, I'd start him unless he hasn't grasped the offense by week 1. Our QB room consists of Sam Darnold and PJ Walker. If an incoming rookie drafted in the first round can't beat out/play as well as those two guys, we probably picked the wrong QB. Carolina has had three straight 5 win seasons. The atmosphere on the forums and the fanbase may be the lowest it's ever been since I started following the team back in 1995. Starting Pickett (or Willis, or Corral) would at least bring a bit of excitement to games in 2022.