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None of us are ever going to call plays in the NFL, but I think a fair number of us could have found a way to get a couple of 5-10 yard completions each quarter. They should have been able to call some hook/curl routes, dig routes, or crossing patterns in addition to all of the screens. And, why not a reverse screen?. Fake a screen to CMAC and go back the other way to a TE or WR. I would have tried a HB option pass once/when the defense started creeping up to the LOS. They could have even tried a flea flicker. PJ's got arm. If we could have got someone running free down the field PJ probably could have hit him. PJ is scary when a defender is around football. It's not hard to defend a team that you know has no intention of throwing the ball 10 yards down the field. Awful game plan.

I'd cut PJ today if I were in charge. He may be a nice guy but he is truly a waste of a roster spot. He simply cannot play QB at the NFL level. I'd use Eason next week if Baker and Sam are unable to play. If he played well I'd ride with him the rest of the season. We know Baker and Sam won't both be back next year. I can't see either of them returning as starters. Matt is the only QB we have under contract. Eason can get some valuable playing time and we can get a good chance to evaluate him. If he's decent we can use him as a spot starter/backup when we draft our QB in the first round next year.

You’re right Jon. That’s the reason why PJ shouldn’t even be in the league. If you can’t trust your QB to throw 10 yards downfield then you need another guy behind center. I think Eason would have at least made the game interesting to watch. If I were in charge I’d let PJ go tomorrow (or demote) him to the practice squad and replace him with Eason.

Herndon Hooker reminds me of the old Tampa QB, Doug Williams. If he ended up in the right city and got the right coaching, he may end up better than both of them.

He’s certainly better than PJ Walker

I wouldn’t say “good shape”, but I agree that we have some nice pieces in place. I’d move on from Robbie ASAP, but I’d keep Christian and DJ unless they demanded a trade. If we got the missing pieces you pointed out (HC and QB) we could challenge for a division title next year, especially if Brady retires from Tampa. I love what Dabol is doing with the Giants. And look what Zac Taylor did with the Bengals when he got the right QB and surrounded him with the right weapons. They went from last place to the SuperBowl in one season.

I was thinking the same thing. We need to cut or trade Robbie this week and let Marshall start the rest of the year so we can see what we have. I’d start Eason next week. If he played well I’d consider riding him for the rest of the year even when Darnold and Mayfield are healthy. PJ wouldn’t see the field again. Worst case we loose out, get the first pick in then draft, and get Eason enough experience to become a viable backup/spot starter to our 1st round QB selection.

The Rams have looked like trash pretty much all season. All we did was give them back their confidence. Their defense is going to come out of this game all pumped up. But, any NFL caliber defense is going to look good against a PJ Walker led offense. The guy can’t be trusted to throw the ball 10 yards downfield.

I wonder if Brady or Mahomes would have got a roughing call if they took the hit that knocked PJ out of the game?

If we pick a QB with our first pick, then we need to just go ahead and start him next season even if Matt Corrall looks good in the preseason.

He shouldn’t be on an NFL roster. If we can sign a viable backup to replace him then PJ should be cut this week. Look at what NE is doing with their 3rd string QB Bailey Zappe

PJ wouldn’t be in the league if our recently fired HC was not his former college coach. He is 45 yards through 3 quarters. You can’t compete in this league if the coaching staff has no faith in the QB to complete a pass 10 yards downfield. At least we can be fairly sure he won’t take up a roster spot next season.

I only got to see the last drive of the game. Hooker seemed quite poised and had nice touch on his throws. He reminded me of Doug Williams when he was standing in the pocket. He even had the cream sickle orange color that Doug used to wear with Tampa Bay’s original uniforms I’ll definitely be paying lower attention to this young man as the college season progresses.

I only got to see the last drive of the game. Hooker seemed quite poised and had nice touch on his throws. He reminded me of Doug Williams when he was standing in the pocket. He even had the cream sickle orange color that Doug used to wear with Tampa Bay’s original uniforms I’ll definitely be paying lower attention to this young man as the college season progresses.

I actually made this point months ago in a post. Every year we see players at other positions get drafted late and blossom when given the opportunity. Some players excel even if they are undrafted. Teams are willing to let a late rounders/UDFA's compete for a starting job at every position but QB. Too much capital is tied up in a first round pick to have him sit. If you have 1st and 3rd-4th round QB's on the same team you're automatically going to give #1 every chance to win the job. If flames out you're likely going to be picking in the top of the draft again. The new guy taken in the first round will once again be given the chance to start. Low round guys have low cap hits and are easy to replace. I bet there are a quite a few of guys who have fallen thru the cracks down thru they years that could have been competent, if not great, QB's in the NFL because of lack of opportunity.

I agree. But, each of those guys were lucky to be chosen by the teams that picked them. Hear me out. Mahomes: He had the luxury of sitting a year behind a competent, but not great QB, in Alex Smith. The Chiefs were a playoff team before he got there. Jackson: The Ravens were a 9-7 team the year before Lamar got there. They would have made the playoffs if they had not lost the last game of the season. The Raven have been one of the more stable franchises in the 21st century. And Lamar, like Mahomes, did not have to start immediately. He took over by the end of his rookie year, but he had an opportunity to watch at first. Allen: People forget that the Bills made the playoffs the year before he got there. Tyrod Taylor took them to the Wild Card round. Allen was drafted by a playoff team. Watson: Houston traded up to get him at 12. Like Allen, his team was in the playoffs the year before he go there. The made it to the Divisional Playoff with "Tom Savage" and "Brock Osweiller" splitting QB duties. The pieces were in place for all 4 to have succeed fairly quickly. The franchises could afford to make deals to move up because they had no gaping holes on their teams. A-Rod and Big Ben also joined stable franchises and blossomed in a hurry. Mayfield, Darnold, David Carr, etc went to poor teams and it affected their play. I'm not saying they'd be all time great if they'd been drafted by different teams, but I do think they would each have had an easier transition into the league. If you draft a stud in the top 5 but he's on a bad teams, then you need to get that time competitive by year 3 or he could end up shell shocked and permanently damaged.

You know if Stafford stayed in Detroit he would not have a SB ring . He went to a team that has arguably the best young offensive mind in the game at HC, a Hall of Fame DT, an All-pro CB, a solid cast around him that got better when they signed OBJ. The Rams were in the SB just 3 seasons prior to 2021. I like Stafford, but he was held back for years by his Detroit. The Rams made s wise move to get him. I You need to look at the post that preceded mine. The post I originally responded to made reference to the LAST 20 SB winning QB's. I didn't cherry pick anything. 2021-20=2001. I just rounded down one year so I could use the 21st Century as a starting point and include in Trent Dilfer, who was a QB drafted high in the first round one. Elway was a great QB. He deserved to be a #1 overall pick. JaMarcus Russel was also a #1 overall pick. He sucked. As great as Elway was he was 0-3 in SB's. Each loss was worse than they one that preceded it because his team wasn't as good. He won 2 titles on the backend, but he was past his prime by that time. His teams were stacked and he had Terrell Davis to help him carry that load in addition to Shannon Sharpe, Rod Smith, Ed MaCaffrey, etc You're taking the Brad Johnson thing too personal. I remember him coming out in the 9th round. We only have 7 rounds now so I was thinking he'd likely be a UDFA now. I didn't realize you had him on your original post. My bad. The "tank crowd" is misunderstanding our position. If a guy is worthy of a top selection go get him. If not don't' reach. No problem taking a Cam Newton, Troy Aikman, John Elway, Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence in the first round. We'd all trade up for them if we had to . We wouldn't do it for David Carr, Baker Mayfield, or Jamarcus Russell. Some guys are saying that we should tank for CJ Stroud even though Ohio State hasn't produced a QB that has made 1 Pro Bowl appearance in 65 years. What has Justin Fields shown so far to suggest that we should have taken him in the first round last year? You and I clearly disagree on some things. But I don't think its' a stretch to say that if you were a GM, you probably would have tried to move up to get Herbert (I would have too) and would not have made any of the bad moves Rhule made at QB. Still, as bad as our offense is, I don't think any of our QB's the past 3 years can be fairly judged from their time under Rhule.

No it's not dumb to go with SB winners. Many on this board think we have to draft inside the top 5 to get a QB capable of winning a SB. You wouldn't draft them that high or give up a slew of draft picks for any other reasons. The historical data shows that you do not. There were people who were upset that we didn't intentionally tank in 2020 to get Trevor Lawrence in the 2021 draft. Trevor is looking better now a better coach and better surrounding cast, but his 2021 season was not that impressive because his team and coach sucked. We didn't make mistake drafting Cam. He lived up to his position. He won a MVP award, took us to the playoffs 4 times, and 1 SB. But, he didn't win a SB. In fact we only had 3 winning seasons with Cam. Your 2nd paragraph doesn't hold at all. You totally misunderstood what I was trying to say in the post. Some years the guys available at those draft slots really aren't good enough to merit a selection in the top 10. If a guy is good take him. If not, don't reach. Carson Wentz looks terrible now. Some think he may be on his last starting job in the NFL. He was great in 2017, but hasn't been the same since. Nick Foles played well in the playoffs and SB because he had a good team around him...and good coaching! The next season Foles took the Eagles to the playoffs again when Wentz go hurt. Wentz is a #1 pick he was let go from Indy after 1 season, and Ron Rivera pretty much threw him under the bus this week. Although he does have a point about poor QB play in Washington this year. Jalen Hurts, Cooper Rush, and Daniel Jones were all drafted lower than Wentz in the draft, but he's quarterbacking the team in last place in the NFC East while the other 3 all have winning records

. I went back to 2000 just so we could use the 21st century as a our benchmark 2021 Matt Stafford (#1 pick first round)---not his original team. Never won a playoff game with Detroit 2020 Tom Brady (#6) 2019 Pat Mahomes (#10) 2018 Tom Brady (6th round) 2017 Nick Foles (3rd round) 2016 Tom Brady (6th round) 2015 Peyton Manning (1st pick, 1st round) 2014 Tom Brady (6th round) 2013 Russel Wilson (3rd round) 2012 Joe Flacco (1st round, pick 18) 2011 Eli Manning (#1 pick, 1st round) 2010 Aaron Rodgers (#1 , pick 24) 2009 Drew Brees (pick 32, 2nd rounder in 2001)---not with the team that drafted him. 2008 Ben Rothlisberger (pick 11, 1st round) 2007 Eli Manning (pick 1, 1st round) 2006 Peyton Manning (pick 1, 1st round) 2005 Ben Rothlisberger (pick 11, 1st round) 2004 Tom Brady (6th round) 2003 Tom Brady (6th round) 2002 Brad Johnson (9th round 1992, would have been undrafted today) 2001 Tom Brady (6th round) 2000 Trent Dilfer (1st round, pick #6) --- That stat about #1 QB's having 3x more SB wins is somewhat misleading. Eli is the only # 1 in to win 2 SB's with the team that drafted him since 2000. Peyton got 1 title with Indy (2006). Peyton's 2nd SB (2015) was due to the effort of his defense that year. I don't think he threw for 150 yards our SB loss and had a INT. He was benched part of that season because an injury affected his ability to throw. The Denver team carried him, not the other way around. Stafford never won a playoff game in Detroit. He went to a stacked Rams team that had been to the SB 3 years earlier and lost because of an over drafted 1st round QB (Jared Goff) couldn't muster more than 3 points against the weakest Patriot team to ever win a Super Bowl. The next highest drafted QB to win a SB was Trent Dilfer #6). He never won in Tampa and was shipped out to Baltimore. He won a SB with one of the all time great defenses in NFL history the 2000 Ravens. Once again, like Peyton Manning, a great defense carried him to a SB win. The Ravens thought so little of him that they replaced him as starter the year after he won a SB. As you pointed out in your post, no only one other top 10 QB has won a SB (Mahomes) Big Ben is the only 1st rounder QB besides Eli to win 2 SB's with the team that drafted him and he was drafted outside of the top 10 (#11). No one has a problems taking a QB in the first round if he falls to you in the draft, or if you can make a fair trade to move up to get him w/out mortgaging the team's future. My problem is with the people who feel that we must "tank" to get a 1st or 2nd draft spot to ensure a QB selection, even if the quality of QB's available isn't particularly good. No QB since 2000 drafted at #2, #3, #4, #5, #7, #8, or #9 has won a Super Bowl. Tom Brady's dominance has certainly skewed things. But, he is living proof that a QB doesn't have to be a first rounder to have success in the league. Great teams when SB's when they have good/great QB play. A top 5 pick on a bad team won't win, just look at Lawrence in 2021.

This is what people need to remember. The big time schools get a lot of 4-5 star talent and are usually just better at the skill positions and trenches than their opponents. These QB's get to the pros and quickly realize every player in the NFL is better than what they faced in college. Then, the high draft choices go to bad teams (which is why they were drafted high in the first place) which results in them looking mediocre. Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes , Dan Marino all went to teams that made the playoffs or at least had a winning record the season before they took over as starter. A solid roster was there to help them and they all blossomed in a hurry. The guys who go to bad teams struggle, especially in their first few season. Some never can recover. Teams and fans put too much pressure and high expectations for 22-24 year old kids entering the league. Stroud could be good as you pointed out, but he ain't worth "tanking for". No one in this draft is.

Unless a drastic improvement in his play occurs, it appears we'll be adding 2021 draft pick Justin Fields to this mediocre list of quarterbacks.

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It matters b/c Ohio State QB;s never pan out in the NFL. I'm 51 years old and can clearly remember EVERY NFL SEASON since 1979. That's over 40 years worth of games. I've seen a lot of players come and go. In that time span OHIO STATE has never produced a successful NFL QB. If Stroud fell to us in the draft and a great OC or HC was leading the offense I "might" could support taking him. No way would I lose games intentionally to draft him. It seems like whenever a team needs a QB, everyone feels they need to grab a QB in the top 10 if they have the pick. Unfortunately, the colleges simply don't put out "franshise" QB's every year. Take look at the link below to see just how many 1st rounder have flamed out in the pro after they were taken in the 1st round. http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb Don't read the entire chart (unless you have a bunch of time). Just start at 2010. Most of the first rounders don't pan out. If a QB is good we should take them, but we can't afford to reach at that position. PS: That chart goes back to 1937. I bet you won't find one Ohio State player who excelled in the NFL as a quarterback.

There are people on this very board saying we need to tank for the #1 pick this year, or at worst a top 3. That’s crazy. The NFL draft doesn’t produce franchise QBs every year. We have the top two QBs from the 2018 draft on our current roster (selections 1 & 3). You can make an argument that neither should have been a 1st round selection, let alone a top 5. I don’t see a QB in this draft who screams “Franchise”. I wouldn’t tank for anyone in this draft, especially not for an OHIO STATE QB