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Wins losses aren't really on him. They are what 1-6, 1-7 in games he didn't play. Again looking at just stats without context is not always the best indicator. He did what was needed to beat the Bucs last week including a final drive to run out the clock, he picked us apart and he played well against Miami. The ATL game was pretty bad but overall he has played well these last 4/5 games. If you are wanting to look at wins they are 2-2 over their last 4 after a 1-8 start.

ESPN has this qualifier. To qualify, a player must have at least 14 attempts per team's games played Statistics are updated nightly NFL.com does not and it has Gunner and Cam Akers with the best rating. Just another reason why pure stats are silly. Funny enough neither of them remove data from games players didn't start or finish. Weird right?

I would. Give Shough another offseason and see if he can keep getting better as they build the roster. Honestly Rattler wasn't horrible and could develop into a nice backup as well.

I think Shough is playing well. Kellen Moore knows how to develop/help a QB. If Shough keeps this up the Saints might be able to pass on drafting one this year to give him another season. He is an older rookie so he needs to play well fast and he appears to be doing so. The 4th quarter play was my point. It doesn't change much but it happened to drop him below Bryce which you clearly aren't a fan of so you had to manipulate the data to make him higher and just look at starts vs season totals. Regardless they are very close this year and you seem to think Shough is playing well... which means???

So if a QB get benched his stats for that game disappear? Season totals are typically the stats that are highlighted. What you are saying it all true though. It's why looking at stats without context is pointless. If you are just looking at stats this year Bryce Young mimics Bo Nix. Bryce barely edges him out in YPA and completion but Bo has one more passing TD and the same INTs. They are two very different QBs though but statistically they are very similar. Nix's team is the current 1 seed and we are trying to sneak in.

Correct and the defense is probably in prevent. These were referred to as "garbage time" stats when Bryce does them. It should help the QB in theory.

I just click ESPN, NFL, Stats and it goes straight to season totals. If you want to dismiss certain games to help one player vs another you go right ahead. You only think one side is way worse because you are on the other side. They both are annoying I assure you.

It's every freaking topic and they start skewing and moving goalposts. Bryce has been more bad than good. It's easy to be critical of him and rightfully so. There is not need to make it every topic and exaggerate it. After Arizona it was "oh he couldn't play good on that final drive when the defense wasn't it prevent" many GWDs later it evolved to "GWDs is a dumb stat" Then it was he needs his RBs to run over 200 yards to win. Then he cooks the Falcons breaking our franchise record for passing yards in a game (running game doesn't get 100). "It's an outlier. His teammates helped him with YAC" He can't be good teams, beats GB "it was just our running game" beats LAR "only deep passes were on 4th down, take away his 3 deep shots and he didn't play that great" (that one is my favorite excuse). -He played bad against SF, I get it. He played really good football on the two games around it though. I just want to see some consistency.

Why are you not just using year totals? You are hung up on starts like coming in during a blowout when teams are in prevent in some sort of disadvantage to a QB or something. That's free yards normally. It's because without those he creeps above Bryce as you shrink the sample size or some people might see that as cherry picking (while you are blaming someone else for doing the same). On the year Bryce has a better rating and QBR. ESPN just uses totals on the seasons in their QB stats. Shough is also 2 years older than Bryce despite being a rookie. This anti-Bryce obsession is starting to creep up on rippadon levels with some of you. I get he has had a rough start but I also understand we are stuck with him the rest of the year and more than likely next year. Hopefully he can figure out how to play at a high level more consistently.

DC has some Pete Carroll similarities which is another reason why I think it would be a good fit. To be clear I'm not saying DC is as good as Carroll just shares a similar personality/style of coaching since he learned under him.

Looks like they already had the QB position addressed with Geno Smith and Drew Lock and they probably didn't scout too much or see any need to use a pick on a QB3 rookie since the main focus was getting Geno comfortable. I doubt there is anyone left on that staff, but I believe Howell was in Seattle last year. If he still knows anyone in their office he might get a decent read on him.

Howell would be an instant upgrade at QB2 and a nice plan B if Bryce doesn't keep getting better. He also should be pretty cheap and is still pretty young with a good ceiling. I'd be happy with signing him this offseason. I think he would fit nicely with DC from a personality viewpoint as well.

He had 3.3 yards a carry for 72 yards his last game against a Commanders team that was resting starters. His stats looked solid against the Eagles before that with 4.5 yards a carry until you realize the Eagles crushed the Cowboys 41-7 and he was getting chunk plays in the 4th when the Eagles were more than likely in prevent. The game before that he had 23 yards averaging 1.8 per carry in a win against the Bucs. Now keep in mind he only got double digit carries once the first 4 games and it kind of shows he can’t handle being a feature back all year long. I’m not hating on him or anything just don’t want to pay him when I think we can get similar production for cheap. Our running game lives and dies by our OL.

I was under the impression this is a one year prove it deal. He is in the top 10 in yards but even if he is mid for a contract, I'm not really interested. He is starting to slow down at the end of the year like he did in Dallas.

I'm not a fan of rolling with Chuba and Dowdle on sizeable contracts next year. I'd rather let Dowdle walk and either sign another cheap vet or let Chuba be our feature back again.

Let's also not forget how bad of a situation his rookie year was. Some of the worst interior OL play with no weapons while being tugged in different directions by a staff that had no clue what they were doing. Reich and Brown back and forth on play calling followed by Reich getting fired. Throw in the following year struggles and the benching for a reset. IF and it's still a pretty big "if" Bryce can turn into a franchise QB after this start it will be pretty impressive. It's tough when these badly managed franchises just toss a rookie QB out there to save them. Titans are doing the same thing to Cam Ward...

But then you made it unrealistic by drafting a Clemson player. We don’t do that here… On a side note I’d love to end up with Mensah, but I’m betting he stays another year. He was great at Tulane and now won the ACC with Duke.

I feel like we line up with 4 DL a lot. Formations are constantly changing we aren’t a strictly 3-4 just like most of the league.

Our run defense is so much better with him. His pressures are just bonuses to me.

I know I'm probably in the minority but I don't think Levis got a fair shot with the Titans and honestly he looked better than Ward as a rookie (and I'm a Ward fan). I know he was kind of an older rookie but he was very hot and cold which to me makes me think he has some ability. He needs to develop mentally in the game but a good coach might be able to do that. I'd like to see him so learn behind Stafford in LA. If McVay can't develop him than no one can.

At 1 or stay put and draft him with our original pick?

You have to use some common sense as well. What type of offense are we running and what is the defense running. If screens are working why would you force your offense into something else. 20 pass attempts average over 10 per attempt is a good passing offense. Glancing at the most recent passing charts, Goff has 4 out of his 34 attempts go over 10 yard, Dart has 1 out of his 24, Allen 2 of his 23 and they were still under 15 yards, Rodgers 2 of his 21, Herbert 2 of his 20, Geno 2 of his 23, Darnold 1 of his 26 went exactly 10 and none when over, Baker 2 of his 28, Taylor 2 of his 33, Cousins 2 of his 33, Mahomes 4 of his 34. nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/pass It seems to me Canales is running a quick pass offense with a couple of deep threats to keep the defense honest. Seems like a lot of NFL offenses are running this defensive trend of running a 2 high defense. The charts are going to vary based on gameplan and what the defense is giving. Look at our charts from Week 11, Week 6, Week 2 and see how different they look.

Now you are getting it! Yeah he just threw little weak passes basically a game manager and his team carried him!

What?? But he only had 18 completions and it took him 30 attempts to get those?? Plus if you take away his 2 longest passes who know how low his numbers really are?? Am I doing it right?