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I’m not even too concerned about people giving him credit. Just reading the box score and making assumptions isn’t always correct. Then when it gets corrected or challenged a whole little meltdown happens. There are plenty of honest data driven metrics to hold Bryce accountable in a negative way. There is no need to make up some (not directed at you). You are typically straight forward with your assessments and I appreciate that. I’d say we are probably stuck with Bryce next year unless a too good to be true option happens. Hopefully we upgrade QB2 and take a flier on a mid to late draft pick to be our developmental QB3. I’d love Lance in FA and if Allar falls to round 3 or later I’d be all over that too. If Canales is truly good at developing QBs Allar has every took you want.

So let’s do the reverse? Make everyone agree everything he does is a disaster? I also think the whole “gaslighting” is on the eye of the beholder. It went from he can’t avoid one single sack countered with he actually did that well Sunday (with data backing it) to a little breakdown of why he is so bad. People are going to have different opinions. I’m also not going to pretend this wasn’t happening Day one with this little QB.

Again I’m good if we move on. Mentioned it numerous times. The problem is anything positive is met with people freaking out. There is absolutely nothing we can do about it so just sit back and see what happens. We are allowed to mention if a player good or bad has a good game or did something well. I mean I will continue to do so and certain people are just going to have to accept it.

Icky has had a great year. He only struggled last game because he got hurt before halftime.

It’s definitely some sort of trigger point for some people. You can’t mention one thing Bryce has done well without a full meltdown. I’ve never seen anything like it… Yeah at this point he still needs a pretty big jump in his development to earn a 2nd contract IMO.

Yes consistent and coherent. I wish I could say the same for you.

So he did avoid sacks like a pro and this post of yours is just more nonsense? Time to pivot and deflect!

I was mentioning Icky playing hurt and allowing 5 pressures which Bryce actually managed well to another person. You proceeded to have this little meltdown about our expensive OL, excuses for Bryce, rushing yards, fug these people defending him etc… Other fans are going to have different opinions about different players. Life will be ok. You are just going to have to look down deep and realize your incoherent rambling, passive aggressive, non direct responses won’t change that. For the 1000th time I could care less if we move on from the guy, he isn’t comparable to Cam (my all time favorite player), I preferred Stroud and still do. With that all said I will still talk about him good or bad as I see it.

Little Friday night Bryce meltdown is good for the soul.

It’s more like we mentioned he avoided pressure well last game and we get this little meltdown of yours as a response. You went on some rambling nonsense about rushing yards which no one was talking about and now we are left with a final “legitimately fug these people.” My God man, pull yourself together. Oh but you aren’t biased against him right?

I’d agree with that. His rookie year he created extra sacks as well. I think lately he has gotten better at avoiding pressure and Sunday was a good example of that. That’s really all I was saying until it got branched off into “revisionist history” and “rushing yards.” This is where we are at though with him. Some people can’t even have a normal conversation after him.

Evading sacks and extending plays aren’t rushing yards. We are talking about him avoiding sacks and you have to branch off into some other category like rushing yards. We are at the point where it’s near impossible to even have a conversation with you about a certain QB.

Running to extend plays and avoid sacks was definitely one of the reasons he was drafted, I mean that was pretty much his specialty in college. I honestly didn't think that would translate very well at this level, but he had become pretty elusive in the pocket. If our OL is having a bad day, which all OL do, he needs to use his legs to help them out which I think he did pretty well last week.

Do you think you will get a direct answer? Icky giving up 5 pressures (playing hurt in his defense) by himself and Bryce only getting sacked once tells you he played well in the pocket. He extended plays and converted some tough downs.

I doubt it. JT was been a disappointment and I think they were banking on him developing. The fact they are reliant on decent contributions from a late rounder in Evans is pretty telling.

Honestly DC needs a seasoned OC to call plays while he is still learning as a HC. I do think he has some potential as a HC but I was hoping someone like McDaniels got fired from Miami so he could come here and call the offense.

Icky alone gave up 5 pressures last Sunday against the Saints. He was injured in the first half and then was bullied by Chase Young a good bit that game.

Our TE group might be one of the worst in the league. We need to upgrade it 100% no matter who the QB is.

Weren’t we favored vs the Jets?

I feel like with his height most hits are high hits, right?

It's hard to tell without knowing what the original routes were for both TMac and XL. Young does 100% get pulled down while throwing the ball though.

That helps my case even more lol. So he got stuck in 3rd and long a lot due to short smaller plays and HAD to throw it deeper on 3rd down and STILL posted his lowest YPA of his career. I keep referring to YPA because it's the cumulative average vs focusing on certain downs. It is interesting that Baker was good big on downs because we are actually pretty decent on 4th downs this year. Maybe that's a little niche Canales is figuring out? Again Geno's offense wasn't Canales' offense. He was the QB coach. The OC (who again was not Canales) did throw it down field with DK and Lockett and rightfully so. Now check out Geno without those weapons and maybe it will help you see that the deep ball is a WR stat more than anything. Most every coach in the league needs a playmaker at QB. It's what they are so expensive and teams mortgage their futures trying to get one.

Exactly. Just because you are part of the staff of a Head Coach doesn't make you an immediate replica of that coach once you branch out on your own.

Again his one year calling plays happened to be Baker's lowest YPA not counting his split year hear. That tells me he was less aggressive with a QB who likes to be aggressive. We have that and almost 2 full years of Bryce Ball here in Carolina. He will take some deeps shots as most offenses have to in order to keep the defense honest. Quick passes and hopeful YAC. I'll give you one guess to which year Rachaad White had the most receptions as TB's RB? Remember the first thing he wanted to do here is focus on how quickly he wanted to get the ball out. That's part of his recipe to help QBs and help his OL. Run the ball, quick passes to hopefully players in space, sprinkle in a little PA. So yeah you can look at some coaches he learned under and speculate, but I am telling you what he literally is doing and has done as a play caller. Offenses that were and are 100% his baby.

DC was only full an OC one year and it was with the Bucs on Baker's "bounce back year." That year Baker posted his lowest average yards per attempt outside the the year he played here/LAR at 7.1. This is with Evans and Godwin as his WRs too. When DC left the very next year he went from 7.1 to 7.9. DC does test the deep ball periodically but so far his offenses rely heavily on quick pass first reads. He does try to run to setup the pass, but he is also too quick to abandon the run. He is honestly still very green as a play caller much less one that is also a HC.