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Howell would be an instant upgrade at QB2 and a nice plan B if Bryce doesn't keep getting better. He also should be pretty cheap and is still pretty young with a good ceiling. I'd be happy with signing him this offseason. I think he would fit nicely with DC from a personality viewpoint as well.

He had 3.3 yards a carry for 72 yards his last game against a Commanders team that was resting starters. His stats looked solid against the Eagles before that with 4.5 yards a carry until you realize the Eagles crushed the Cowboys 41-7 and he was getting chunk plays in the 4th when the Eagles were more than likely in prevent. The game before that he had 23 yards averaging 1.8 per carry in a win against the Bucs. Now keep in mind he only got double digit carries once the first 4 games and it kind of shows he can’t handle being a feature back all year long. I’m not hating on him or anything just don’t want to pay him when I think we can get similar production for cheap. Our running game lives and dies by our OL.

I was under the impression this is a one year prove it deal. He is in the top 10 in yards but even if he is mid for a contract, I'm not really interested. He is starting to slow down at the end of the year like he did in Dallas.

I'm not a fan of rolling with Chuba and Dowdle on sizeable contracts next year. I'd rather let Dowdle walk and either sign another cheap vet or let Chuba be our feature back again.

Let's also not forget how bad of a situation his rookie year was. Some of the worst interior OL play with no weapons while being tugged in different directions by a staff that had no clue what they were doing. Reich and Brown back and forth on play calling followed by Reich getting fired. Throw in the following year struggles and the benching for a reset. IF and it's still a pretty big "if" Bryce can turn into a franchise QB after this start it will be pretty impressive. It's tough when these badly managed franchises just toss a rookie QB out there to save them. Titans are doing the same thing to Cam Ward...

But then you made it unrealistic by drafting a Clemson player. We don’t do that here… On a side note I’d love to end up with Mensah, but I’m betting he stays another year. He was great at Tulane and now won the ACC with Duke.

I feel like we line up with 4 DL a lot. Formations are constantly changing we aren’t a strictly 3-4 just like most of the league.

Our run defense is so much better with him. His pressures are just bonuses to me.

I know I'm probably in the minority but I don't think Levis got a fair shot with the Titans and honestly he looked better than Ward as a rookie (and I'm a Ward fan). I know he was kind of an older rookie but he was very hot and cold which to me makes me think he has some ability. He needs to develop mentally in the game but a good coach might be able to do that. I'd like to see him so learn behind Stafford in LA. If McVay can't develop him than no one can.

At 1 or stay put and draft him with our original pick?

You have to use some common sense as well. What type of offense are we running and what is the defense running. If screens are working why would you force your offense into something else. 20 pass attempts average over 10 per attempt is a good passing offense. Glancing at the most recent passing charts, Goff has 4 out of his 34 attempts go over 10 yard, Dart has 1 out of his 24, Allen 2 of his 23 and they were still under 15 yards, Rodgers 2 of his 21, Herbert 2 of his 20, Geno 2 of his 23, Darnold 1 of his 26 went exactly 10 and none when over, Baker 2 of his 28, Taylor 2 of his 33, Cousins 2 of his 33, Mahomes 4 of his 34. nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/pass It seems to me Canales is running a quick pass offense with a couple of deep threats to keep the defense honest. Seems like a lot of NFL offenses are running this defensive trend of running a 2 high defense. The charts are going to vary based on gameplan and what the defense is giving. Look at our charts from Week 11, Week 6, Week 2 and see how different they look.

Now you are getting it! Yeah he just threw little weak passes basically a game manager and his team carried him!

What?? But he only had 18 completions and it took him 30 attempts to get those?? Plus if you take away his 2 longest passes who know how low his numbers really are?? Am I doing it right?

I feel that I'm Bryce neutral and it's definitely both sides. Threads absolutely get made when he plays bad (rightfully so) and when he plays good. He is the most controversial player on our team at the most critical position. Of course threads are going to be made about him after each performance good or bad. I think it depends on what side of the aisle you are own. You clearly aren't a fan of his so it appears like you are getting spammed with counter threads when he plays well. Some of the Bryce fans feel the exact opposite I am sure. It's sports and as fans our opinions will vary.

Saints did a good job of not rushing him out this year. Having a former QB as a coach probably helps. He is an older rookie so unfortunately he has to figure it out quickly which is far he has done.

Donte Foreman is a recent example. Offered him a cheap deal but he decided to test the market. I doubt we sign Rico as he was always a one year rental. Chuba is starting to outplay him as he gets healthy. I think Chuba is our main RB next year like the previous year.

He was actually playing pretty good football before his injury. Roze is the one we have to replace IMO.

I’d love to see what Riley can do with him at the other USC. He is the one who helped Hurts at Oklahoma as well.

His OC being Mike Shula didn’t help him develop. His OL struggled too, but yeah he seems to have trouble reading the field.

On a side note the goal posts are moving. At one point this year we were looking at that Arizona game's last drive and wanting him to show us he can finish when a team is no longer in prevent and when he didn't people were claiming he was unable to. Then he does it against Miami, Dallas, GB, ATL, and LAR and that conversation shifts to his team carried him and GWDs are dumb. Next we have the YPA and can't throw deep. Now the YPA is creeping close to some other players like Baker, it's higher than Nix (I'll acknowledge it's still on the lower side) but it shifts to "oh it's all because of YAC" (like none of the other QBs get YAC), and my personal favorite "if you take away his 3 deep passes (he only threw the ball 20 times with a YPA over 10), his passes were all short." I hope people realize most screen plays are called by the coach and not a QB checking out of some risky deep pass. If we dialed up several screens (and they worked) that's more of a DC thing that a QB thing. If they work you screen all day long. The Rams did it a lot against us too. He played a good game last Sunday. He played a bad game the Sunday before. To me he has shown he CAN play at a high level, but he needs to show consistency. I also realize we gave up a ton to draft him and the expectations are very high, but at this point those are all sunk costs. He just needs to show he can be a franchise QB.

I like to look at trends for a young QB but everyone has their own criteria. Is he getting better throughout the year each year? I think so, but I still want to see some consistency. I like that he had 2 of his best games in his most recent 3 with one being on the road. I also like how the team is learning to win with him as a leader. I don't like the inconsistencies but this is a pretty young offense and offensive staff. It will be interesting to see how we finish. Regardless QB2 HAS to be upgraded this offseason.

This year he is on par with Bo Nix which is better than last year. Bryce barely beats him in YPA and completion % but has 1 less TD with a lower rating. He is also one year younger than Bo. Both players seem streaky and can win but still have a way to go in development.

Found this stat interesting https://x.com/TacosTweets/status/1995247160942567430 Definitely has some clutch gene in there. -Feel free to attack it or highlight it to help it conform to whichever agenda you like. I'll keep saying it's simply easier to say when he plays good and call out when he plays bad.

You would think they would have to agree, but they won’t.