Basbear

I do think 8 wins is the top limit for this group. Honestly them not winning a game has similar odds. So 0-8 is the range. Add in the owner, last six years, No real first pick while nfc south had theirs among other low picks aka they got better, lost Burns, luvu, djak and others solid vets(boz, bell, etc). Last second FG wins, never lead in the 4th, didn't score a single point the final 2 games. Im going with 2 dubs and I hope a surprise 8 wins claims the NFC south as they label the Panthers as the worst playoff team in NFL history!!

DL doesn't look bad compared to other groups- Turtle, Dbrown, Clowney, Robinson, and wonnum. That's 5 guys that are or have been solid or above average for most of their careers. In fact Id say its the strength of the panthers. No ones too old or coming off a bad injury. Depth-wise it is down right bad, just need to avoid injuries much like LB. I agree with you about finding just win, I got them match last seasons 2 wins. *I still feel NFC south is wild enough that if the planets align, panthers *could cash in their lotto ticket winner and shock the world. Cousins setback and penix sucks. LOL @ carr and HC Dennis Allen. TB used their luck and bakers play comes back to earth. Young shows he deserves that #1 pick and evero calls a masterful year.......... .0000000001567399% chance. Thats the best I can hope for, tons of miracles.....

1% chance he's great That's why I believe this 'rebuild' will take 4 years. I don't see anyone thus far that believing he will be great. I am hoping he will just be good enough. I also hate the fact that before young was picked, he was the answer to not having a great OL or WRs. Now one year later- 170 million spent on 3 Olmen, trade for starting CB for a troubled but talented WR, and use the first 2 draft picks on WR&RB. (4th on TE). NOW the plan is to run the ball until fan boo form foxball flash backs.Terrible no matter the perception. Just about any street QB could be hidden behind a run game, but here the Panthers are doing it for a Qb that they traded a huge haul for including the best valued WR in the league. Failure to the max.

My main issue with the hunt deal was if he was truly that highly thought of, phins would have tagged him. Then traded him or ________ . I use to be super hardcore, still panther hardcore. But I never heard of this guy. Icky could be that elite guy, but without campy giving him lots of help like his rookie year, he out right blew dog-water. People are focused on young having a bounce back year, but Ickey is right there next to him in needing that too. Lewis is or should be above average. Colbert is ????. Moton is older but rock solid average-above average in nearly all systems. SUcks Moton never wanted or have the skill to man the LT, that's my issue with him along with his insane salary made by former GMs. The key to this is HAROLD GOODWIN, he's got to be a wizard.

I mean it was when Donnelly was out there for two years. The rumor of Knicks getting a frozen envelope for patick ewing, among other stuff. Then there was giving the first pick which was the local choosen one lebron James to cleveland. The league/David stern found a buyer for the new orleans included gifting of the first pick, which was Antony Davis. As a hornet fan I remember he was 10000000000000000x the clear best player and the hornets drafted a role player without a jumper at #2 overall. Imagine Davis on the hornets, he would have changed the loser history for sure. Many lotto felt fixed, or WERE fixed. The thing is these smooth brain fans are like wrestling fans, they don't care just have drama/action/entrained/etc, My issue is why would the other owners allow this? Sure money and all, but after billions millions don't matter as much....they want trophies, wins, and bragging rights among other owners. If I was a owner and we had one of those "secret" meeting and they go- "Bas we are giving the clear #1 pick Davis to new orleans and you get the #2 so be happy'. I'd put the team up for sale the nano second after that BS. I felt the same, but I left the NBA mainly cause the games were boring and lazy until 2 minutes left in each quarter. All-star games became regular season games. Yes teams/coaches like spurs with pop, Larry brown, and pat Reilly played hard. Then add in Michael Jordan being the worst owner in history, it was easy to leave.

Ghost hands wrote this..

They were 2 last second FGs and a couple 4th down conversions away from being 0-17. In other words they should have been 0-17 and those last two games they didn't score..... This team is BAD, need more than one miracle to fix.

I disagree with that. I can only think of one team Id take over the Panthers; patriots At least on commanders, giants, and even the Panthers you can name a couple stars. Name one patriot star or building block without gogglefuing, just not one.

https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-sign-all-seven-draft-picks-from-the-2024-class Suck it NFL!!!

No QB had to play with less than herbo had, he was pulling a Cam for few years. Heres some proof- "NFL ranks in "Supporting Cast Rating" in terms of average team PFF rush, receiving, pass blocking and run blocking grades (everything except passing) over the past five seasons"

Yep a true off-season topic, much like "name your mount rushmore panthers!!" Im a herbo fan, but no chance I'd place him in the top 3 as a rookie. No rookie gets that, not even golden boy luck. This league humbles all, especially QBs. You go to earn it after the defenses find your weakness and they will.

About to find out who knows who better, Id say Todd bowels knows canalas MUCH better. I think bowels is a awful HC, but he does have lots of experience and still a great defense mind. Who knows, week one do have the most upsets it feels. But Im the wrong guy since I got them going 2-15 againss... If they can run the ball and baker goes back to pre-2022 ver, they could steal the opener in a low scoring fight.

I agree, but Id also have Daniel Jones over young, so he'd still be #31. I take that back, Id have young over JJ as well, so 30 it is.... I also think Murray was hit hard and Im no fan.

Sorry that I have not followed the NBA like years ago. Just felt like even form afar, its a good time to part ways with Ball. Miller seems ready and willing. Ball should still have enough value for a good offer as well. I box-score watch them off and on, seeing DNP over the last two years next to him followed along with weak lines when healthy(he did have one GREAT week of numbers). I can not pin point the time, just feels like Ball is no longer the guy to lead the hornets into future success. Is this wrong?

That's true, the trade part not the rank. He had MVP type year.... (it was a down year for all) look at his stats and he is a perfect fit for shanny's system. Just add him to your long list of rhule-like takes about QBs.Lololoolols It is painful with that dash of 2023 truth.. Us panther fans are addicted to painful broken heart stuff. It was my only "byce young bad" thread and he did have that one good quarter and that that one good throw!!!11!1!!

even the green rookies and look where CJ is... oooOf, the league has no respect for young.

would anyone protest if they traded ball for __________ and turned the team over to miller ??

I thought it was in reference to fantasy football as well. It's too easy to clip bait these days.

there was a report days AFTER stating it was cause of a injury to a panther player. just about everyone claimed BS.

I bet he wants 8+ million AND a team with a playoff roster. Dan should just look at other options, including future cuts.

Devin pulled a hamstring while signing the contract..

Yes its against the rules to have a discussion, once you pick a side you are all-in and have to defend wrong.........I hate thats the way it is in the good OLD USA..... Tepper put this on us fans. I can not believe the Panthers would have been 100% better off if they just kept Rivera and fuging Marty herniay.

It should be a 400,000-100,000 SB with vet min type deal is my guess. Here is what philly signed him for and he had a meh year- "Rashaad Penny signed a It shoult 1 year , $1,350,000 contract with the Philadelphia Eagles, including $100,000 signing bonus, $600,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $1,350,000."