Basbear

Rhule had the best first year for me, if you take everything in count. Fox is right there with 7-9 after a 1-15 season. I change my mind, fox had the best first year. RR did the same with going 6-10 form 2-14 quiters. All impressed, Rhule feels different tho..

Jones and fields, GROSS!! Lance>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jones/Fields

He wants that last 30-40 mill check!! He looked completely shot to me and I remember him showing up to TC KB fat seven years ago. He should retire like his fav center just did, Drew Brees looked better imo.

I dont believe this is crazy, now if youre like me and have Lance above Lawrence, thats crazy. Wilson is small, light weight and had two arm/elbow surgeries. Sunshine isnt no once in 20 year player for me either.

Other people dream continues..

One overlooked mistakes in herniay era, was this. Frank alexander was another one of herniays trade failures. He was picked in the 4th round of 2012 for a 2013 3rd. Richy Proehl was the panthers WR. Frank loved weed more than NFL checks and failed out of the league soon after. Come the 2013 draft and lets look at the picks right around what would have been the panthers pick= 3 74 Dallas Cowboys Terrance Williams WR Baylor Big 12 from Carolina via San Francisco [R3 - 2] 3 75 New Orleans Saints Terron Armstead † OT Arkansas–Pine Bluff SWAC 3 76 San Diego Chargers Keenan Allen † WR California Pac-12 Keenan Allen and Ricky where friends and Allen trained for the NFL at Richys business. Hes a great WR and I believe RIchy would have stood on the table for him for the 3rd round pick. Even if they didnt go ALL-pro Allen, theres a stud LT that went to the fuging Saints right there for the picking too. Im about 99% sure they would have picked Allen given the Ricky connection. fug you Herinay.

22 thus far-Thats still low. I know they are mid pack, but.... there will a few players who will stay home rather than take a low-ball contract. Need to attack the draft and undrafted players hardcore. Fritterer needs make a big impact year one...

List the starting OL, LBs, TE, CBs, and top depth/backups. Keep in mind panthers cap space, which should be around 40 million. fyi 13 is needed for moton tag, 10 rookie pool, and 8(maybe 10) for in season signings. After you figure out what type of OL and top backup youve made, would you put a star QB behind it without fear? fyi remember David Carr, Burrow, Darnold, Cam and Luck when you think about this. Think about the effect those OL had on their careers. Goodluck..

Enjoy Buffalo, NY, or washington. I know you can not use the money until June 1st, it is a minor surpise about the clean cut rather than june 1st. Needed the space for Moton incoming tag, 13 puts a big hole in the 20 mill space. Need 10 million for rookie pool, if no trades. Team does not have the space this year.

My great grand mother added stupid people to this quote.

Thats me, its a toss of the same coin. One is better currently, but the is other is younger and more years. Before Kerr got convid, he was looking like a legit starter/top-rotation player. Hes a great locker guy, hes popular among his peers. Plus I like to have a few of those types- happy, hard-working, earned everything types on the roster. I like Roy, hes on the same path as kerr imo. Its a tad redundant with two that play the same spot. I still want a legit starting DT next to brown. Who knows Roy could show up to camp ready for that role and force the panthers to start him. Roy plays hurt, Rhule and me love that trait.

What about Norwell, Turner, and D Williams?? Each either where 1st team ALL-pro or 2nd during their time here. ALso resigned R Kalil, could have let him walk or trade him. So for about 3 full season the OL was Norwell-Kalil-Turner-Williams. Kalil also made 1/2nd ALL-pro. Before MKalil, he signed Michael Oher. He was still "young" at 28 and had a bad concussion that ended his career. So again tired to replace LT... Drove his van to the casino and place 55 million on 75, it busted hard, but he tired. SO all you people that make that statement, need to re-think it. Plus did I mention he had negative cap space for the first 2 full years, and barley stable year 3?

Its a failure squad that RR has assembled, all looking for a shot at redemption. Im not sure all the luck in the world could help that sad bunch, RR got waaaay too much heart.

Nice throat punch. Its more spit balling and putting it on the forum. I knew theres a huge push back on keeping KK. Its just a way to keep KK a panther at a fair rate, especially if it was important to him. 6 million is nothing for a starting DT with his resume. I already stated 0% chance, firing up the forum folks. Without any dead cap, I think 6 million is a good deal for all. Smart move is post june cut......but he could even lower base some and still do a deal like I stated....heeeehe )

To me Roy is a young version of Kerr. Its close to only one should stay.

Does his surgeries add some cloud? Ive warmed up some, but like @BrizzMachete said hes small. I wish there where a real combine, cause I feel even after adding weight I think hes still come in low 200s. His height is 6'0.2 looking too. Still with the small frame, low weight, and injuries...He sure can throw. Unlike Lance, I feel Wilson would have issues taking NFL hits.

I may need a throat punch, cause part of me thinks theres a chance at a KK return...Hes got close to 20 milion in base salary for 2021. Change that into a signing bonus and add 4 years with minimum salary. KK would return for 6 million cap number in 2021. Panthers do need a running mate for Brown. With injuries and such, 6 million per seems fair. 0% chance happening, could cut him after 2 years with little issues tho. I may also need a baseball bat to the head too....

Doesnt matter if you take in account only the top 51 will count for cap space. It is a minor surprise about Jamerson signed a two extension this year and they protected him about each week form being signed by other teams. Its like the agents asked for a release on both, cause neither counts against the 51st cap. If injuries hit, they would have been nice to have as insurance.

Too many factors to say. It boils down to if the team can win without the starting QB. If its a great team, you 100% need a top backup. Backups have won SBs, playoffs, and much more. If you got a team like the panthers or jets, it doesnt matter. Go cheap or dig for gold.

You're right. All scared to answer simple questions, since it kills their theory. Wasting my time.

Jacob Hollister is who I got my money on. Trust me he'd got the tool-set to be a top 12 TE. Should come cheap and Frittrerer should know him well.

Only one I can say with 99% belief is Chase. I think Sewell, CHase, Lance, Lawrence, and Wilson are my current "no chance in hell" they'll be at 8. I believe Fields will drop, have for some time. If Slater has 34+ inch arms, he will join the list.

Nice list, well since I agree with the parts I know. I have no clue about RBs, none. I keep my focus on panther needs. About the only small one is I have Paye as the best defender in the draft, above Rousseau even as a edge. Even for me hes in the 8th pick talks. Lastly Im driving the Lance spaceship and got him next to Lawrence.

Its the worst one in the NFL history currently. People also over look his injury history too, hes got a few. Im still shock its not Wertz PLUS two 2nds to get rid of him, rather than GIVING two 2nds for him. Wertz is a 80 year old bridge across a swamp.

Its simple, win until out of the youre mathematically out of the playoffs. Once youre out, smart move is too improve your draft resources. Start next year right then- Rotate/play young players, experiment with play calls. etc. If youd rarther win late season games to feel good, then your reward is draft 16th in each round. All the rah rah win crowd, never answered this question, maybe you will. Heading in the last week, with lots of luck the Panthers could still draft 3rd if they lost. If they won, 15th. Say it was happening, you'd honestly rather win a meaningless week 17 matchup to draft 15th in each round? Or lose a game everyone will forget by next year for the 3rd pick in each round? You see the value of that pick- its worth future 1s,2s, players, and more mid-rounders. Nah, F that lets win for team that 40% of the players will not be here next year.