Basbear

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Yes sir! Im waiting on pro-day mini combines, but its close to done. Main mover would be Slater with 34' arms. Waddle is another Im not ready to place, I do miss the combine.

Old Dean Smith Michael Jordan quote " Dean was the only person able to constantly hold Jordan below 20 points ". They for sure need to learn form that, I bet they got calls for all sort of NFL staffs saying similar things. The ability to read and react along classroom coaching, there was a theme about Herberts' low football IQ. Watching games, just never seen a rookie play that good. He nearly had Cams 1st game 400+ yarder each week. I had questions about Cam too, mainly cause John Gurdens QB camp made him look "dumb" too. Needless to say I didnt think Cam had a 400 yarder for 1st game. Just about all my concerns where gone after that.

You where not alone in your Herbert prediction, no one bats 100%. Bump any draft threads form years ago and they will be filled with wrong statements. Hebert just had the best rookie season in NFL history is all, without playing the first game too. My jaw was on the floor after watching 3 of his games, even with mistakes. If he played like a rookie, it was only for a couple snaps and then he turned into a elite top 4 QB.

I defended him a little, did improve the run support that was last in the nfl 2019. Then he wouldnt play with a injured finger......there are rare finger injuries that could be further damaged with play, this was not one of them. He is not a Rhule type of player, and I also soured on him too after that stunt.

Who does David Tepper report to??

In 2018 he started with putting Josh Rosen at 6th and people went crazy. They go " see hes right " after three years. But for his final ranking he moved Rosen to 2nd.... He claim he only judges the tape and no outside noise... So how on earth did the tape change form his ranking Rosen 6th to 2nd during off-season?? Again I LOVE people who dont parrot the same drool that 95% do. People are lazy and rather steal than put in hardwork. Chris Simms QB rankings are like shooting with a shotgun. With shock/edgy opinions getting all the attention across social media/youtube. Simms is choosing to 3 up others with his 1st draft Mond, Wilson, and Jones ranking.

My best case is maybe too real for most. Draft a QB and hope its Lance. Keep TB for this year only, cause no one wants to pay him 10 million in guarantees. Facts are the panthers are a long shot to make the playoffs. 37 minutes after the week 17th game, cut TB and get ready to make noise in 2022.

Mond in the first *like*, or 3rd? I got him in the 4th rounder, early at best. Long ago I questioned Lawrence being the next messiah type, I didnt see Elway. I came away very "meh" with his 2020 games. Before those he already had the next big thing label. I liked Burrow more than him for sure. With Convid it was a totally different season and changed the valuation of everyone too.

Im still hammering out mine, its gotten much clearer over the weekend. I like boards that are different, even if I disagree. I got Fields in the late 20s currently, doubt I move form that. Plus my main focus is panthers, I quit doing 150 players with sleepers. One main difference compare to all others I have is Kwity Paye as the 7th overall and not to mention Lance as 1a. Guess I have some BS clickbait in me too...

The defenders are posting the most "correct" ranking and not his final one. Even though hes saying; "this isnt for clickbait, guyz", its for clickbait and reactions. The amount of clickbait BS has to bust at some point, its the worst year by far for the clickbait farming. It needs to come back to earth, enough is enough.

Im about 50% sure its going to happen, only players higher are baylor/temple players. Its fills a need, want, and price *should* be low.

Que the "Make him a coach" posting...

Major Props to Simms for forming your opinion and NOT just repeating then same drool 95% of the others do. That said, dear football gods.... Jones and Mond need to land in perfect situations for his predictions to be right. Seen the years before, this is a total new year Chris Simms. Mond a first?!?!?!?!?!?!? I like him as a 4th hope and pray type, not a fuging 1st. Hes got the numbers and all, but also his results are very poo too. I can see Wilson over Lawrence, but not Mond as the 4th best with a firm 1st round grade. Then Jones as the 3rd best, dont care about your past ranking, these 2 haunt you big time. His ranking also change and he does lots of double talk to cover his future.

Ringer big board has Fields as the 2nd overall best player.

Well I finally stopped being dumb with Pitts. Broke one of rules with ignoring the competition Pitts put up strong numbers against. I now firmly have Pitts as the 8th overall player for the panthers, up form the 20s. If all the good QBs,LTs, and Chase.... are gone, Pitts should be along the final players for the 8th. Shame on me for continually to overlooking SEC opponents that focused on Pitts and he still had great games. I can/should not place too much for blocking, if he is a real game charger. CMC on the left hash and Pitts on the right hash mark, that would/should put most Ds in panic mode.

Smitty has a hate boner for him too. Like sorry moore doesnt carry himself like you steve, he still puts in work. Smitty even talked about he got calls form people inside the team, bout issues with Moore. Im amazed with moore being able to finish with GREAT numbers(minus TDs) while having weeks of poor showings during the season. As others have said, hes had some of the weaker QBs group throwing him the rock. ANderson started like the true #1, but as the season aged Moore took that back.

Owner- spends 2.3 billion on a team Fans- "He better not involve himself at ALL!!" I want my owner to at least care about the product, but not be obsessed with parts they have no knowledge in. Tepper saved the panthers AND kept them in carolina. Honeymoon is over with many moves- cam BS, stealing super fans seats, firing long term workers, pitting nc vs sc, keeping herniay(and calling him the best, bloody hell), etc etc. He at least admitted about his learning curve. It takes time to be a NFL owner, far as success. Start good, rocky couple years, looks on the upswing. He continues to pour money and resources into the team. He spend no time buying and installing a bubble(Jerry refused). Gave Rhule(whom i had big questions) the richest deal for a 1st year NFL coach, along with co-signing on hiring 25 coaches. Panthers have maybe the largest coaching group in the NFL. Hired all sort of science, nutrition, lifting, wellness experts to the already huge staff. Building a 200 acre super football complex that does help the locals, Richardson would have N-E-V-E-R done that. Ive gone form 8 happy to 3 upset, now about 5 neutral.

Hes know for leading the league in PD for DLmen. I know about him cause one of my FF leagues had equal defensive scoring with O. At times JJ lead the lead in scoring mainly cause PD were worth 20 points to help CB score points too.

I think he was, but hes the type to have a flask at arms reach 24/7. Sad part is this type of thing happens too often.

Mail it in Peter King, god dam what happened? I stopped reading his vomit ten years ago, when he couldnt stop talking about coffee in football pieces. Pulling a bruce Willis, retire please you're embarrassing yourself.

Im telling you, watch out for this name- Jacob hollister. Should come cheaper than the names you listed, has top 12 toolbox, frittereererere knows him well.

Two Jones takes I have heard. Johnathan Jones called the his panther sources about Jones being Mocked to them, he said they gave him a hard laugh. No chance they said. Another is if you compare Tuas season with Jones season, Jones looked better with about the same team. Tua was picked 5th overall with a terrible injury. Im no Jones fan at all, but its very easy to see why Jones could be a top ten pick given this simple comparison. I want constant playoffs appearances that lead to SB wins, Trey Lance can give that, Jones can not(unless on a team of all-pros).

This is mine take. I feel everyone should have the same top three. Im a DL whore, fyi. Some varies depending on system, climate, stadium, left handed QB, etc . 1- QB 2-Edge/DE/3-4OLB 3. LT(could make a good case for #1, much less great LTs than QBs) 4. WR 5. CB 6. DT 7. RT 8. TE 9. C 10. OG 11. RB 12. LB 13. Safety 14. Kicker(could/should be higher) 15. Punter 16. LS/FB/Gunner/Ace/H-back About 7 years ago I had OG rated lower, RG and LG vary on worth too. At times RG is asked to block the 3tech DT, you need a stud for that task. Follow the money and that gives you where teams feel value is.