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Hill basically benched chinn. Im a big chinn guy and all, but Hill is clearly the better NB no matter his age or history.

His 2013 tally was 123 tacks, 13 TFL, 4 sacks, 7 PDs 2 INTs DPOY Luke- -------156 tacks, 10 TFL, 2 sacks, 7 PDs 2 INTs TDs 2015----------105 tacks, 8 TFL, 5.5 sacks, 7 PDs 4 INTs I honestly remember feeling TD should have been the DPOY over luke. Ill drop this in this thread- Luvus 2022 is right there among the best season too. Luvu--------------111 tacks, 19 TFL, 7 sacks, 4 PDs, 1 INT Thats one rare combo of stats. Who else has 100+ tacks, 7 sacks, and 19...19 TFL. I can not name another player...

Holy fug, I forgot about Hardy!! He did have a impact before the bed of guns.... I was trying to rack my struggling 3 firing cells- " there has be others in the 25 years ". I only came up the average type years of mike minter and michael barrow....lamar lathon memory happened too. old salt n' pepper! I still think thomas davis is being heavily undervalued in this thread. TDs 2013 and 2015 should be revalued.

If he has a legit OC and QB coach ready, why not? Unlike last year, this new HC group is meh for me*. Plus do allll the "yea this defense isnt that good" people know that the panthers were 4-3 last year?? Most of the FA funds were used on offense. Ill repeat what others have said about injuries, no horn or shaq for most of the year. Bell, wooods, djack, chinn, burns, ygm, henderson, houston among others have alll missed a few games. In the short time, pitty offense, and not much talent. He couldnt do a much better job. If not for the defense I'd stop watching this year.

I always thought thomas davis had the DPOY the year luke did. He should have a couple in the top ten, such a joy watching the pain he dealt out. Jenkins also blocked a couple FGs for his insane 2003 yr. Lots of comp for the top five, I dont think brown made it.

Ive tried to cope or excuse my way into favoring Bryce, but the real evidence is one-sided.

Agreed. Plus for that three years, they must have loads of luck and hit on SOME draft picks..... Its a long road ahead even if they get super lucky...current least talented team and the key couple of pieces need 20+ million contracts. Planet size mess....

If thats his statement, then Ill for sure pass on his QB opinions. I have been missing @ladypanther among others. Bro everyone is miserable, i may need to take a break myself.

I have not watch as much as I use to. I did watch a couple UDFA QBs come in to similar OL&WR issues perform and win(bagnet, devito). Neither got the reps or prep that Bryce had form TC. One of selling points was that if Bryce was dat guy, you didnt need all-world WRs. Hes not playing well enough. Same form OL, TE, and WR. Hes part of problem, what size?? who knows given this is his rookie year. Totally agree he does need help and the OL has been about as poor as possible(sanders gets heat too). We got to hope the next HC&staff are miracle workers, plain and simple. Id say give him another year with the clean slate and go form there.

Cam is looking like the last person you quote for QB opinions- https://twitter.com/i/status/1734752490350895230 He said Dak, brock, goff, and tua were game mangers, not difference makers. Crack is wrack...

I forgot to ask this- Right now who would you rather have; Kenny Pickett or Bryce Young??? open to all and @LinvilleGorge

Alll Young needs is a top 3 WR core, OL, TE, and RB...THEN WATCH OUT LEAAGUE!!1111!

in 2021 I thought the owners were doing it on purpose in order to gain a huge bargaining chip.

I thought for sure Kaft would have allow Bill to get the all-time wins record and nicely ask him to step down/retire. Plus the amount of hate about Bill without brady. In those 18 years Bill nearly always had a top 8 defense. In like 4 different seasons he had the #1 overall unit. Many times other teams basic their game plans off how Bill attacked the team they are facing. Hes still the best defensive mind in the league, bar none. Plus everyone talking Brady being the main reason, they forget how times Adam "HOFer" Vinatieri won them games too.

Given all the podcasts and x, just a huge pool of ex/player voices.......No one has came out and said" Bcye Young IS TRRRRAAASSSSSH". Hell CMC moms got a fuging podcast....

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Yea to be fair, alllll byce needs is a top 3 WR core, OL, TE, and RB ....Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaa

Im still alittle shocked that Bill gets fired, I have to see it.....I could not fire the man who got 6 SBs. Kaft signed him to a contract extension this past year too. Plus no way Bill wants his new team to trade a 1st+_____ for his services. Hes smarter than that.....

Purdy is tops in like 8 categories, besides a terrible 3 game TO span....he should be in this weak MVP deal. He saved the lance deal from 3 year blackhole.

I seen the future and used * and ifs....... and ended with

Given Bryce's limited arm, Id say TE.

Pure honesty- Its going to be a 5 year fix*if panthers draft 10x better and land a great team builder crew. Theres no talent and the few ones need 20 million contracts now. So plan accordingly, its a long long long time before the panthers get above water...

Ive been meaning to do this post for weeks now, thanks!! So ive gave it lots of thought and became much sadder. To sum it up if you factor in age- Brown, Burns, Horn, Luvu are the only keepers. Above average- Shaq, Moton, Thieln, Bell, Djak, eddie, heckler, jjj Off year- boze, ickey, young?, sanders, clark, chinn Everyone else is average or below(most). No hiding the 1-11 record, this is the poorest talented team in the NFL bar none. The top talent above ALL need around 20mill per contract now or very soon. Giant mess and mixed in with QB deal, it may take 4 full years *if all goods great* to even get back to .500% record. Terrible.

This is a off meds type of meltdown...