Basbear

Pat is a great hire.

Last I heard about him his back was making him think of retiring,

Yea, this is wilks to me in simple terms- DB coach- Great DC- Awful HC- Average-below average Zona truly screwed him, but thats why soooo many coaches avoided that place for the last 20+ years. Bidwell is worse than tepper and Im sure wilks didnt draft rosen either. SF you or I could have coached that unit with success. Shame how he getting all this bad luck, but you need to make your own at some point. Facts are there are many great coaches that are great ST, DL, DB, QB, etc, but dont make good OC, DC or HC. I bet a top DB job pays a little over 1 million. Nothing wrong with being a great one of them and getting paid well.

wtf is this BS?? Love to have HC shanny here to "struggle" and "choke" in the SBs...

I care more about that OLman, he was the starting RT until week 8. Better at pass blocking than run. Got in tomlins doghouse and benched. Still young. I wonder if claimed does that bonus still hit.

Honestly if not for daves size fetish, hed picked chris jones over "big" "&" "lazy" vernon butler. Panthers could have a winning record one of those bad years. The best DT after 99 was jones for years.

There must be a high demand for him, I doubt he stays with them. Owner HATES to pay any players.

Dave drafted him got fired days before TC. Marty held on at the seasons start and even gave him a roster spot for a couple weeks. Then cut and place on PS for a week or two. KCs kicker got a injury and he started making history. I believe at one point he was the highest rated kicker in NFL history (100 kicks min), yep higher than tucker. In a rare move with marty, I agree with keeping the vet gano over the rookie butker. Im fairly sure at the time gano had a stronger leg and this was the beginning of moving the kickoff closer. At the time panthers STs were awful at covering kicks and punts for that matter. I mean looking back at all the turnover and bad luck the panthers had since kasay, butker should have been the guy. But I think eddy is right there with him and my god do the panthers need a decent kicker with them having TD allergy....... wrong on some.

So guys when do I replace dan??

NFL- Dont ANY players DARE gamble or life time BAN!!!!! NFL- Current player Leviska Shenault is leading celebrity poker, please tune in to cheer him on!!! Me tunes in out of boredom and its non-stop gambling ads.....

Why you complaining about life-time supply of free rolling papers?!?!?

Im cereal-

Yes. Countless examples. Just look at the SB for examples. Brock was drafted with trey lance(they traded 3 1s+ for) and starter jimmy. Andy reid made a career out of trading backup QBs(feely, kolb) for prime picks. Kirk cousin was drafted in the 4th in the same draft the wfters traded 3 1s for RGIII. If your trusted scouts have a 2nd round rank on player and hes still there in 5th, draft them no matter how you feel about the starter. NFL has a nearly 40% player turnover each year along with many injuries. The goal of the NFL is stock pile talent and it will work out.

Any new hires or rumors??

I bet evero is in the top 3 highest paid DCs.

I seen where Evero was going to keep "most" of his coaching staff. Plus no RB, TE, or ST coach either.

TMJ has the last change deal with there being new coaches. You let him come to OTAs and TC with the idea that hes nothing more than a 2024 UDFA. Among his many issues, he doesnt play STs. For a #4-6 WR that gets you cut most times. Who knows, maybe these new offense coaches can save his carolina career. I have a less than 1% chance he will be a panther.

At least jordan got out of the picture, worst owner in NBA history. It will take time and a special group to get the loser smell out of there.

I believe Jones beats young easy. Zappe, that I dont know and feel it would be tooo close call for either.

Plus a big overlooked issue on this topic- It was the 1st year from the 4-3 to 3-4, thats a huge change. It takes around 3 years to fully get the right players for a 3-4. Panthers still dont have a NT or the backup NT. The LB corp is a joke in terms of 3-4(luvu is a baller play in any D). Panthers CBs are not used to biltzing. Plus the panthers put most of the resources into the offense side- first two draft picks, clark, theilen, hurst, sanders, etc.

I didnt watch NE this year, dont know the QB for the game in question. I did watch all panthers and couple prime time games, young was the clear weakest. 2nd was minshew. I dont know if he can make all NFL throws in a timely matter. His ball seems to float at a higher rate, the timing is a big question for me given the lack of force.

I watched all the panthers games and couple prime time ones. Young was the clear weakest throwing QB out of all of them.

Can you name any QB that you watched this season that had less arm strength than young?

Now im not wanting to be panthererer fluff'd

Just shows why he didnt throw at the combine. Hope he gets the alien peds he needs.....