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The plan is somewhat simple- draft 1 maybe even 2 QBs. Use rounds 1-4 on at least one of them. Bring in a Vet ala Wilson, Cousions, etc etc. Signed one of the fallen 1st round bust ala Wilson, lance etc. Hold a real honest QB competition between those 4 QBs. 2 jobs goto 53 and 1 goes to the PS. Of course before dump/trade/whatever all current Panthers QBs with red hair or below 6 foot. Yes its not simple, but it is that simple as listed above...

Trevor is one of the very few Id still ride with BY* ONLY reason being the money * Trevor is an enigma. Like others said, he's a lab grown QB/Madden createaplayer basically like John Elway 2.0..I think it goes Elway, Luck, and the discussion starts for Trevor in best QB prospect ever. Fact of the matter, he's truly awful like 3rd from bottom bitach each year. Much like BY he's gotten too many starts as well. Many have tied to unlock and once I saw Doug petterson fail, its over. No chance I want the Panthers to pay 50 million per year and still suck ass. That's the only thing saving BY is his rookie contract. Firm pass form me, Id exhausted nearly every method rather than take on a terrible QB and pay them 50 million per to be terrible. If he somehow got in the backup price/fix me price range, even then I still don't believe.....he's very very bad and has been his whole long career......Jags have tied to supply lots of help in the form of coaches and players too.

Someone said after the game Mike White jersey was still hanging up after the game between BY and Dalton lockers. Like others, there's no magic QB help this in-season, its BY or Dalton show. Plus can you blame them(somewhat, but think...) everyone wants and hoped BY could build off his last 9 games. Given the investment, the hope was BY could fill the QB role for 15+ years. Morgan and Dave did not pick BY via trade up. They need to get to work on a total rebuild for the QB. There's nothing and they need everything-vet, starter, PS/future prospect. The free agent is headlined by bust Jones and failed 1st rounders. The draft looks meh at best too, (still a long way).... The work never ends......

They have with a different team, but that fact remains. It was part of the reason Kalil did his "we're going to the SB". Cam got there in year 5, like the saying stated. I do think a duel threat is a huge % of what you need. The problem remains, QB is still played from the pocket. If you cannot avoid pressures, hurries, and sacks...You need those wheels to save you then. Tom Brady was the best in NFL at avoiding pressure, sacks etc and he had no wheels at all. Still its a package deal, cause I point out fields or AR. I think more time is needed and better teachers are as well. Buuuuttttttt the collective bargaining deal limits practices and training. I feel BY would improve if he was allowed to practice more, same goes for many other young QBs.....but there's no time, its right now or "Hey checkout this college QB..."

Me reading this thread-

Fitz, Thanks for the good summary! I cannot disagree with much. Still glad this isn't another 2024 season, so I will take this late season playoff flirt....

I view QBs differently given the last five years. There's even that older obscure fact that if a QB has been with a team over five years and no SB, it will never happen. Now it feels like the league gives QBs three years and if no success, find another QB. Teams are in panic mode now too often and QBs......these poor QBs....Sure the money is great, but its unfair what's being asked of them. Deal is unless you have Allen, Mahomey, Herbo, Jackson, or Burrow you need to spend resources on finding a QB. Stafford(current MVP?) and others in this group, age and other factors means they are not long term like the first five listed. Wait those three years and you may be able to late pick swap for a QB drafted #2 overall.

You're more than welcome and Scott all of us have experienced your long posting. Id say most have been showered with positivity. If not I'll still read your reply, either way. My line of thinking we are in-season and by some miracles the Panthers are in the playoff hunt. While its the biggest decision in panther history, maybe it does need time during the off-season dull period. Im also not one to tell people what to talk about or when to to do so or what positive/negative etc.(boy the board is awful BY heavy.....). I do not like to tell my fellow Panthers fans how to fan.(I normally only jump in when its classless stuff or the common division BS ) Like I said, its the biggest choice and the effect will change the direction of this team for years to come.... Be unreal to hear Brandt/Dans TRUE thoughts on this topic...

I don't see how, but I fear others hold BY in a different light. I just know Brandt/Dan/Dave jobs are on the line. 250mill and fails or can not find a better option.... I get 175 yards feel ultra easy too replace, hell I even think a green 2026 rookie could be closer enough to justify it.... Just depends on them and how the future plays out.

Thus he and his agent/crew can "holdout" as a bargaining tactic. That is his last "cheap" rookie deal year. The question will be simple this- either you commit a 200+mill deal for BY or if not????? Welllllll BY is not part of your future plans. If the Panthers are unwilling to do so, BY/agent/crew will demand a trade or release. This is why so many recent first round QBs have been traded at this stage. That was the point of my comments. Incoming off-season this should/will be answered.

Again I am trying my best not to worry about off-season or 2026 Panthers, just on this ultra wild 2025 mid-season playoff hunt ride. Still the reps of BY will meet with Brandt/Dan and other leadership(maybe even tepper). To simplify this without using many words; BY will need a financial commitment from the Panthers in the form of new contract OR he not part of the Panthers 2026 plan thus not on the team. That choice will either make or break a few NFL careers....

Besides Jones, this is wrong....Carr was a early 2nd rounder. Wentz got traded after eagles gave him 120+ million, same for Goff got a bag and dumped. Trey Lance was traded to Dallas before his 4th. Zack Wilson got traded to bronco after his 3rd yr for used PB&J sandwich Josh Rosen was traded in his second year. Sam darnold was trade here after his 3rd year, if you member Panthers also picked up his 5th yr option as part of the trade. Kenny Pickett traded after his 3rd year Mac Jones was traded recently Justin Fields was traded after his 3rd year Its prime decision time in the off-season. Again BY and his crew/agent have some cards to play and there .001% he plays on 4th year here without some sort contract.

It does not work like that. For early 1st round QB the after the 3rd year its three things- pay, cut, or trade. 0% chance BY will play on the 5th year, they will force Panthers hand with the last bit of cleavage (lols) Leverage they have. So you can either pay him 200+ mill with around 130 guaranteed or trade him for ..... I guess mid round picks....

You got a good grasp of this mess. I've been wanting to ask all the BY fans what type of money they want to give him, as you layied it out and you just can not agree....he's done the min it takes for a few games. Plus brother the cap is going up, 45 AAV maybe the bottom starting QB as insane as it is. Still I DO NOT want BY anywhere close 45, even giving him backup money is hard to think about. Deal is after the season, its going to be Uber hot about what to do. You know his agent will not allow him to play even if they do the 5th year, everyone on his side will want a juicy 200mill+ deal that I would curse tepper for his current and afterlife........ They got to either trade him or pay him this off-season. Period, that's the mountain awaiting this off-season. Either one can save your NFL career or ruin it...... The QB market is turbo ass, unless you are a trey lance truther, Sam "I love unc" Howell, or Willis....Theres Zack "wow I backpedal and toss a 70 yard dime and living off my 2nd overall draft status" Wilson. Or if Indy goes insane and doesn't tag .......I can not even type his name....the whole QB market is him and lost dreams. I personally have not drove in draft, cause thank the gods Panthers are still in the playoff hunt, but form afar it looks scary......like a bunch of 2nd-3rd QBs will be drafted in the top half and I DO NOT want to trade up again by paying the insane future 1st etc. SO.............fug its bad........and I don't see a lane, unless a Jake ver2.0 Delhommy happens again. Maybe trade has the best path, Im enjoying the season too much to find out which teams even have a QB worth trading for.....fug....

Ive had the same thought too, I think its an alt.....dare say his name of 100s alts. Issue is post count and 2008 is a long time to spring a troll. harmless never the less and some posters have enjoyed the banter. I don't even thinks its worth mods digging...

Unsung hero, from the hellcape SF to Carolina and have a solid 18 snaps, props to Trevis Gipson!! Thanks for miss-traeting him SF, I see where they lost another DE/edge....They should pickup Boogie!!

You and the Packers will be just fine. If they met in playoffs, packers could drop 40 and hold BY to 9 points.... Besides you and all other are banned from any complaining. Favre-Rodgers-Love......Thats NFL heaven.

Many players had the same Monday as before. Rehab, lift, and treatment. Its fine.

"Watch your mouffth talking about Joe "Joe Alt" Alt"

If this was 3 years ago during BY rookie year and it was fair "best man wins QB", white would have easily won. I was a hooker fan and it didn't cost the Panthers what 100,000 to bring him in. White just knows to non-stop study the playbook and he's a 30year old pro at this stage. Boogie too, but he ran out of PS call ups and only the love child of Gilbert and goodwin can remain on the PS. That guy from the 49ers put on a show for a guy just off another team. Im too sick, cause I enjoy following the PS and 6 moves mid-season is a big day!!...