Basbear

Nah give Finesser and Dan Morgan the keys and see where they take it.....He was uber aggressive in the draft and trade deadlines stuff....I loved that. His free agents signes I hated......I was right it seems about them.....tho Id call it a push given Fox,Jones, and reddick saved the group. Elf has looked decent as a C too....Erv Im sure is already hurt again form stepping out of his car....

Being professional and using logic about the team he took over. Give him a real shot at his vision. Does a FULL rebuild only take 2 years now? Like rebuilding the QB(he has failed and still failed), OL, TE, DL, LB, CB, SS, STs etc etc. Like if your boss gives you a huge old strip mall and theres not a fully functioning deluxe condominium its place within 2 years, you stuck and should be fired? What free unsigned HCs and staffs are out that you want? Doug Petterson has been tossed around, but Im meh at best.....theres no one I can think of were Im like" he is the one and can save this team". Goat Bill is going no where, dont want another college guru, andy reid loves KC BBQ, Macvay is in his heaven's land. No OCs or DCs out there worth a shot, maybe the dallas guy but my god hes soo young. So who do you got/want?

I dont see any other unsigned current HC out there that can take Rhule's __________ and do much better. If Mike Zimmer somehow gets fired(i highly doubt), He'd stand a much better chance with these players, mainly cause he did fix the viking(viewed as a joke) and this DB can be special and Zimmer is a DB guru. Rebuilding takes time, Rhule and others thought they were ahead(even Thomas Davis said they were more talented than the 2015 team,....LOLOL) 3 years is fair given the sad state of the 2019 panthers, this is it tho. Panthers needs some luck, figure the QB/OL parts, and grow up(youngest team) and Id say could make some playoff noise. Did you reaally except them to be 13-4 this year? Look around the league/NFC, bunch of panther-like record for 20 some team. No super team.....best team right now is the Mac"motherfuging"Jones lead Pats..... Panthers beat the the next "best" team, awful year for many other teams.

I think his role needs changing. The only recent player I know that can hold the edge against 330 LB man-beast at 230 LBs is Von Miller(hes old). giving up 80-100 LB is a near impossible task to overcome. Honestly need YGM to step his game up and be the edge with either reddick/burns on his outside shoulder. Another issue is hes had 3 years to add weight and done nothing. So hes a hybrid LB in my eyes. Only team I see him fitting is the Pats...

I saw a pic somewhere(reddit maybe), 3 minutes leftd and maaaayyyybbbee 15% were still there. Facts are many other teams have that same problem- loins,jags,jets,wfts just to name a few. I doubt by seasons end the panthers would be last, even if it feels like it.

Im still in the 3rd year camp.....but he must have them firmly in the playoff race until week 18. If not, get rid of him. I dont see how, unless the NFC south became 100% trash(brady finally leaves, ryan is traded, siants cap issues etc, etc) Rhule has little to nothing at QB, a rookie is not taking this young group to the playoffs. OL looks like its another 3 years away form being decent(elf has been looking "ok" at C). CMC can not be the center of the whole plan while he gos on IR for the 18th time. Still need something form the TEs. Besides shaq group needs 5 new players. Honestly DL needs talent as well. Brown, whom I had as a breakout player has played flat the whole year. Reddick and Burns are 225 LBs pass rushers whom have issues in run defensive. I have them at 6.7% chance to make the 2022 playoffs, Tepper better start right looking for 2023 HC, putting whispers out in coaching world.

Hurts my soul.

Im a member of serious FF league that gives the same points to D players as O......Parson is in the top 20 after going undrafted. I watched the blowboys about 4 times, including the panthers game. He was the best Defensive player on the field in all games except Rams game. He could be a top 10 DE if leftd there, in fact I think that SHOULD be the plan. Edge rushers >>>> MLB. I thought there was a chance panthers picked him cause Rhule and Penn state were a thing. For about 3 games dallas was super thin at DE, rookie Parsons steps in like it was cake, looked like a Prime Kalil Mack clone. He just bullied OTs like uncle vs kids at a cookout. Lit up the stat line with sacks, FF, and tacks.....he has insane sideline to sideline speed. He blows by LVE(whom I want the panthers to pick up) like hes a 80s MLB. LVE was luke-lite before the injuries. He plays on a different level.......thats RAAAARRRRREEELLLLLLYYY happens form college to NFL. Dude is a alien, I want to believe.....

I was wrong about him, didnt think a "LB" was worth a top ten(11) pick. That guy is a alien, I knew about his insane workout numbers, but seen a many not have a impact with the same type numbers. Hes been a havoc making machine no matter if its DE or LB. Glad chuck didnt take my bet about Jamin Davis having the better year than Parsons. Hes had one of the biggest impact rookie or not in the whole league.

Same comments came form a super fan in the philly game. Hes been to most games for the last 20 years and few of the away ones too. Said he never had this feelings before; mid-3rd he said the whole stadium was 70ish eagle fans and it was their home game. I tried to say "typical panthers fans, forntrunners, transplanet, etc... " He shut that down and said this was different. Hes a straight shooter and wasnt panic type fan, I was shocked at his comments. Same dead energy and atmosphere. Hes the type that doesnt care if its raining, cold, or poor team...hes there.

I agree, his two year QB solutions were like a Mumbai sewage blowback. OL has also been a joke given the choices.

Hire a company to run your SM, thats modern sports 101. If you dont, you run the high risk of posting something like this.

Have the panthers ever lead the league in penalties for the whole year? I swear rhule prides himself and his staff on being great developers and better on field teachers......this team can not stop getting flagged, plus it feels like most are on 3rd down for defensive and all downs for O.(mainly 1st down and the struggling unit is now 1st and 20...). Gotten worse week after week as well...

All these are my best guesses 1. Around 90, started one game and replace Daley early game(so 60+30) 2. Huge mixed bag of great ones and current level panthers ones. Played like a rookie 3. https://www.lineups.com/nfl/snap-counts/carolina-panthers-snap-counts I dont recall the real number of snaps at RT and OG. Above is the list and my guess is 20ish at RT and remains at OG 4 see #2 I do think one game at LT had like a 80 PFF rating and I didnt remember that being off any form my eyes.(I hate PFF, maybe someone else can link rating) Again hes not played worse than Daley/coofus Miller/Paradis/Scott. Coaches tend to protect rookies cause ______ .

Do yourself a huge favor and just be at the hospital before the draft starts. Finesser showed he liked to pile up picks. The only real way to do that is trade the 1st. He is friendly with teams that have multiple picks, sooo its like 50/50 he trades to pick. Trading falls off FAST after the beginning of the 4th....... currently that is the next pick after the 1st. So if he wants to add picks, hes got to move that 1st......unless he trades future picks....

Thats the real deal. Technique is king and maybe the first 3 items on the list of importance. Ive said it before about Dbrown and the same gos for Chirst, if either of them are not better than what panthers drag out weekly....CUT them cause theres no hope... Thing is Christ has had some good snaps, but not enough for Rhule/staff.....weird. All I can think of is they are trying to protect their ego form getting crushed and ruining them mentality. I believe he dropped down boards due to age.

Im pissed too. Plus if you survived the 2010 season, this should be cake. Short side comment- 2010 was the last time I went to a panthers game. Game was vs the bears and I dont think panthers crossed the 50 over twice for the whole game. By some miracle panthers had a chance in the 4th, crowd had been quiet for 3 hours(i mean nothing panther did gave reason for cheers). Still in the 4th my section/friend/near whole stadium of the remaining panther fans cheered with the hope panthers could do something with pickles.....Of course nothing happened and as we were walking down those long concrete ramps. I looked my friend dead in his eyes and said I will never come back here. Since then some light at the end with the creation of roaring riot. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Be honest- How did you feel when the 3-0 happened? And what were your NON-homer expectations for the team? (before the start) All those coaches you listed, each team had faaar more talent than the panthers. Browns roster is full of 1sts, best DE, and they have the best OL in the NFL. Dallas had Elliot, Dak(top 5 QB), best WR group in the league and a top 8 OL. Dallas's D had best group of LBs, Dlawence, young Diggs. Giants had Barkley, Jones, and a legit group of WRs&promising TE. Washington much closer to the panthers, still at that time had the best DL in all of NFL and we saw scary terry ruin Djak's huge payday hopes. Washington also had BSheiff and Twilliams on OL(trade him to 49ers). And when we played; Joe and Ron 100% out-coached the panthers up and down on game day. I dont defend wrong. Lastly hate to do this- What if panthers win against failcons?( Trying to gauge how bio-polar you are, since thats 95% of the board thinking......) Plus what if panther shock some teams and make the playoffs, will you forgive Rhule and want to keep him&staff? I think you and all the poster should re-think why you have these feelings of misery. Im tried of losing too, but my god this team AT BEST was 2022 away form legit competing.... If you think otherwise, whos fault is that?? Guess Im going to Keep pounding and everyone else can keep whining. (until the offseason...)

I can confirm....Im sure they were at least 35 in and maybe longer... Im with the Rhule on this...(motherfugler)......much prefer long arms.... AT ALL SPOTS, even kicker!! Still if you can play without your knuckles dragging the ground, thats all that counts! If ANY player is worst than panther starting OL, cut them, no hope at all....

Look up his history, not talking football...

That did little to support Rhules case.....its 3x the damage when national medias bags on you, cause the normies follow the lead...

You must have a superhero power to make you immune against toxic behavior...

It would help solve a unknown weakness, so doubt they put in a claim.....

I always said that, there are numbers I want.....BUT if you can get the job done IDGAF about "muh numbers" Thanks for the update, gave up watching Rhule pressers around week 7. I can take coach-speak, some talking down to, and a tad of the preaching.......The unnecessary lying broke me.

All points are valid and correct, not defending Sam. I was 100% against that move and have plenty of posts sounding off when it happened and soon after as well. Staff/Rhule have made colossal mistakes at the QB spot for 2 full years(Cam save ??) and unless a miracle happens it will be a 3rd given the 5th year pickup. Like I said if you want to focus on negatives, there are a few. I can say for the 14th time, they gave a false hope with that 2020 season. Plus remember the no fans for most games and other coofus BS that Rhule had to over-come. That was the hardest start in NFL history for the start of ones coaching career. NO OTAs, NO rookie camp, only 29 days of training camp and NO preseason games to gain experience for the least experience staff in the league! No scouting college players, face time player meetings, insane travel rules, etc etc. You stated how well they played and everything was against him/team. Did everyone forget @Verge @CRA@Zod ???? This stuff didnt happened years ago, just last year. Gold fish memory now controls teh huddle. " I WANT RESULTS RIGHT NOWWWW!!!!!!" Feels like most people on here eat dinner via microwave...... Very painful seeing posters as yourself, ladypanther, cra, k53 and other smart veterans commenting.