Basbear

panthers took the cheese....

And nothing else, unless you count Djax before Rhule/coached him up some. I'll add Moton, i know you were not trying to name everyone. Shaq was hated by 90% of this board and called a jag, before this season. Cam had not been healthy since 2015 and wanted a huge "commitment". So in the real world all he had was CMC, Moore, Moton, and Burns that were among the top 20 of their play spot. Lets see thats 53-4= 49. Rhule needs to find close to 40 NFL players!! Thats AWFUL, no other way to see it. Now into year 2, the fans demand this team be a 13 win unit?? Has anyone looked arounf the NFC and seen that panthers are 1 game within playoff while playing poor? Many other team are playing poor just like the panthers, near 20 teams are with the panthers it seems. I argue that panthers were the worse roster at that time, Jets could be proven as worse. Plus depending on how much you rate having a tiny towel Watson, texans. Lions too, depends on how you rate Stafford. Still no debate they were in the bottom 3. Those teams have been very busy at adding draft picks(good ones) to the roster while panthers did not. They lost Reid(100+tack safety) Luke(hofer) bradberry(kept eilite WRs in check) Vbulter(best season in 19, goodbackup) addinson(9 sack machine for years) Thomas davis (legend) GMcCoy(HOFish) BIrvin(solid NFL starter) Golsen(Hofer) DPoe(run stuffer) DWiliams(better RT than Moton) GVR(decent OG/backupC) Cockwell(dog, good backup DB) Thats around 60% of the snaps and stats, largest in the NFL at the time. And 95% of the leadership. LOOK AT IT! open your eyes and mind!! Also that year had around 45 million in dead cap(thanks herniay) This year close to 45 AGAIN!! Reason alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll that out, all the haters need too.

I mean again, did Rhule take over a power-house talent rich team? Hell no, maybe the worse team in the NFL. Now everyone is demanding this youngest team in the NFL, that was ALSO one the oldest team the NFL less than two years ago.... this team is now a 13 win team?? All in the 1.75 year span?? Now we get upset at every loss and want to burn it down?? @saX man please amigo, send me some coping drugs....

Valid and true. Im a panther fan so I know the pain. If Rhule stays, he should lose any and all decisions about choosing a QB. @ForJimmy you have been playoff-level posting the last couple months.

They are struggling for sure. Playoffs are *STILL in play. I believe the 5 wins form 2020 gave fans a false hope. This team was not a 5 win team and then the 3-0 start happened. Most penalties in the NFL as well. They won 5 in 2020 and won 5 by week 10 so far thats progress, right? Agree about the wins coming against weak teams. So were does beating the best team record wise do, cause they did beat the cards and they do have the NFLs best record. Yea they didnt have Dhop or Murray, still a weak team like carolina should have lost that game...... I swear I feel everyone how only sees the negatives, what happened?

You are level headed in this post. I do see the issues with coaching and team morale, I am not happy with Darnold, OL, constant meaningless lies, etc. I just know were this team came form and its not a perfect ride, why is that now the only thought? If batting 1.000 is the game, I mean what are we even thinking?? Team will be getting rid of every single GM and Coach after a couple games. Non-sense..... Horn, I can add to that. Look he was injured and the team was 3-0, or 3-1. Henderson an 2020 top ten pick was available for a 2022 third AND they get back a 5th.......why is this talked about in a negative tone??? They could fill the shoes of the recent injured CB AND jags were paying most of the salary. They also paid his signing bonus and his contract/cap number is peanuts for 2022&2023. (plus theres the 5th year if he proves it...)Why would any one disagree with this??? Team according to reports loved him in the draft process. DB coach knows hendo cause he tried to recruit him and they remained friends since. Rhule has completely shat himself on QB decisions. OL is a mess as well, Ive been on his case about those for the start with Cam and draft/free agency. I do not defend wrong and he was been wrong here, plus it has hurt. If the soul focus is negatives, no problem finding them.......... Keep pounding

I answered this in post above, its more than you think

Still have a 1st. 2nd just think of using it on current college QB......about the same issue with Sam and most of this years QB class. Its a weak class and so is Sam. 3rd- Henderson, I do that right now as well. 2020 9th overall pick for a pick in the 70s, 100% right move for a very young elite level CB Got extra 5th in the Hendo trade, bonus. 6th for a DE/STer Johnson that has the impact of a late 6th rounder, minor gamble and lost right now. Honestly Dan Morgan needs to answer for this one. Got a extra 6th for a 7th in the perryman deal. While perryman is killing it, he was a bad team fit and didnt get the vaccine til later with the raiders. Got a 7th for Greg"worthless" little. Thats a plus Still have their 4th, 5th, 6th Finesser showed his card at trading and piling up picks, could add 2s, 3s and _____ with trading back in the first. So in a way they got 3 draft picks one year early, now the haul like team is struggling, but its not over. They can improve. Each trade is impossible to have a 100% right rate, Im stilll holding hope that Hendo becomes a solid starter. FYI he was one of the better panthers on the field vs the phins, seemed to be one of the few that cared. Not the out-come on some of the pick trading. I understand why Little, Hendo, Johnson, and perryman(i disagree with it) were traded or traded for. Darnold was a mistake right now, very little to defend this. I still hold a tiny bit of hope since they are stuck with him, no choice.

I do not get how 2021 looks like his first year and 2020 they were more competitive with much less talent. NFL is weird and all, still you are aware how bad the team was in early 2020 off-season?? Maybe the worst roster in the league, in just 1.75 years into a rebuild they are better at nearly every spot minus OL&QB. Winning 5 games feels like it gave the fans/tepper false hope, the team was not a 5 win team. Add in that 3-0 start, superbowl plans were getting made it felt like.... Who knows what type of pressure Tepper is putting on Rhule, Im old enough to member this team needing a near compete over-haul. That does NOT happen in 1.75 years, not even the master of masters Bill Paracells in all his 4 year glory was able to take team with the worse roster and turn them into winners faster. Microwave fans are killing me..... Rhule has failed finding a QB, no defending that. This team, no matter what needs much more than just a QB. Team also when form the oldest to youngest in just a little over one 1 year. Plus this is getting overlooked, but you and others need to see they've had what 80 million+ in dead cap??? It must be a two year record, a small part is by Rhules hands. I mean are we only focused on the negative and not seen how Rhule gained in positives while also screwing up(like any other coach)?? I can not believe most the high IQ panthers posters are going crazy with this team. Fiz at least sees the faults in the method of thinking for Ron vs Rhule.

fiz off the top rope! I dont get it either.

Not that hard- Cam is injury-prone. OL is in the bottom 10% in everything. New play-caller and Rhule wants to run the ball. Cam gets hurt at some point soon. Your sliver sam is ready to come off IR Its that easy. Side note- My personal feel is Rhule wants Cam to fail and Rhule to still save his panther peeks(somehow).... Watch for this in the coming weeks....

Rhule should be the OC/play-caller after he fired Brady, that is the correct choice.

I had them at 2-14 last year, 5-11 was a big shock. With 11 Ls, eight of them were within one scores. Fought waaaaay above their weight class and were in it til the 12th round. That gave some false hope about this year, still got 5 wins at week 10 (which is a match for the overachievment 2020 season). 17th game does give another chance to increase the win total, but the same gos for losing total too. Plus if the team is sucking(they are), should be losing that extra game. Team is better than the 2019 off-season team and by seasons end should show win progression (above one win, i bet/hope..)

Its soooo true...I didnt even think about that, bravo!

Im still ready to give Rhule his 3rd year. 5 wins first year(during coofus BS) and should win more this year. Tho if hes canned, give Finesser and Dan Morgan the opportunity to hire their first coach.

Hes a unique fellow for sure, many odd habits and is not know to brown nose unless its Michigan. Know for making drama.....drama with owners, GMs, coaches...... But wins so its overlooked.

I think he either has or close to it.

1st time in NFL history a coach was fired 20 minutes into the gameday start. Its like they dont have a clue.... The correct way would be fire Joe Brady Sunday night and announce it Monday, who cares about bad press?? Give Joe a shot at a good job in college and the current coaches a head start on figuring out the offensive plan. Rhule fuged it up just like the QB situation.

He prove he could win in the NFL, so I believe that hurts your take. I mean most players dont stay long on rosters, 8 years is rare now-a-days. Hed have a new group in before they turned on him. I do not think he and Tepper would get along, like AT ALL. I think after meeting one another, Tepper would leave with a true hate for him. Finally no shot he leaves his comfy job for panthers, unless Tepper made him the highest paid in football history. Bad fit form area, owner, and people. still Jim>>>>>> rhule

My number #1 want about QBs is handling adversity, my god does this legend past that test. Hit on his first 12 passes and finished something like 22 of 28. Passed for more TDs in one game than #1 overall sunshine has in last 5 games for the jags. Hes new to team as well..... Nah lets try to paid teddy 2 gloves 40 million for one season, trade draft picks plus pick the 5th year on the worst QB three years running. Rhule has the worst QB judgement and all it took for Minshew was a 6th AND AANNNNNNDDD hes under contract for 2022.

Even with all his success, Im not a big Tomlin guy. I like the case of him being in the same division as browns&beaguals, good scouts, Great QB, great D(dick lebeau), etc etc. Handed a great team with leaders other than Tomlin being the reason. Would I take him over Rhule? yes. He maybe the only person on earth that was able to control Abrown, he should get waaaaay more credit. I still member him preventing a TD by getting in the way of an kickoff TD. Got one of the best stares and has a no BS sense about him. My reasons are weak, cause after barry Switzer was handed the keys to the Blowboys, that team failed fast after that one SB win.....But Jerry Jones is running the show and not the Rooneys. I should place him among the elites cause 14 years and basically won the 2nd amount of games during? If he was a bad coach, no chance would this success lasted that long time. Elite coach for sure.

i should not be here

He was 100% done by mid-season last year. Its embarrassing watching him play this season, ala Willie Mays as a Met embarrassing. No meme, Id pick Walker over Ben for the 2022 panthers and I got walker as a great PS QB...

Panthers need another Jake miracle. 2022 team should be ready except at QB, which the issue is the savior needs some exp and thus can not be a rookie.