Basbear

Looks like the 49ers too, holy Christmas balls...

Make the call....

I've already had this discussion years ago and per normal I had a great picture to illustrate my point. This was when Daniel Jones was used dog water playing for the Giants, his first 3 years mirrored Trevors.....guess what they were= AWFUL, like by far league worst. Giants entered some Jones terror timeline by not picking up his 5th year, then signing him to some 4yr 160million insane deal, then cutting him right after. Trevor is the worst. Like others I fell for "Hes 6'5, mobile, and can toss it over a mountain...". He's awful and its sad this isn't well known or talked about more since its the "jags". Then when the jags gave him a bag...not only a QB bag, but a top 3 at time bag....up there with signing Watson and Wilson as biggest NFL mistakes. Again, he's one of the prime few that Id rather roll with rookie deal BY and I have 100+ post of my BY haterade.

Ive seen his bald head in a couple of the winning speech videos....

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The plan is somewhat simple- draft 1 maybe even 2 QBs. Use rounds 1-4 on at least one of them. Bring in a Vet ala Wilson, Cousions, etc etc. Signed one of the fallen 1st round bust ala Wilson, lance etc. Hold a real honest QB competition between those 4 QBs. 2 jobs goto 53 and 1 goes to the PS. Of course before dump/trade/whatever all current Panthers QBs with red hair or below 6 foot. Yes its not simple, but it is that simple as listed above...

Trevor is one of the very few Id still ride with BY* ONLY reason being the money * Trevor is an enigma. Like others said, he's a lab grown QB/Madden createaplayer basically like John Elway 2.0..I think it goes Elway, Luck, and the discussion starts for Trevor in best QB prospect ever. Fact of the matter, he's truly awful like 3rd from bottom bitach each year. Much like BY he's gotten too many starts as well. Many have tied to unlock and once I saw Doug petterson fail, its over. No chance I want the Panthers to pay 50 million per year and still suck ass. That's the only thing saving BY is his rookie contract. Firm pass form me, Id exhausted nearly every method rather than take on a terrible QB and pay them 50 million per to be terrible. If he somehow got in the backup price/fix me price range, even then I still don't believe.....he's very very bad and has been his whole long career......Jags have tied to supply lots of help in the form of coaches and players too.

Someone said after the game Mike White jersey was still hanging up after the game between BY and Dalton lockers. Like others, there's no magic QB help this in-season, its BY or Dalton show. Plus can you blame them(somewhat, but think...) everyone wants and hoped BY could build off his last 9 games. Given the investment, the hope was BY could fill the QB role for 15+ years. Morgan and Dave did not pick BY via trade up. They need to get to work on a total rebuild for the QB. There's nothing and they need everything-vet, starter, PS/future prospect. The free agent is headlined by bust Jones and failed 1st rounders. The draft looks meh at best too, (still a long way).... The work never ends......

They have with a different team, but that fact remains. It was part of the reason Kalil did his "we're going to the SB". Cam got there in year 5, like the saying stated. I do think a duel threat is a huge % of what you need. The problem remains, QB is still played from the pocket. If you cannot avoid pressures, hurries, and sacks...You need those wheels to save you then. Tom Brady was the best in NFL at avoiding pressure, sacks etc and he had no wheels at all. Still its a package deal, cause I point out fields or AR. I think more time is needed and better teachers are as well. Buuuuttttttt the collective bargaining deal limits practices and training. I feel BY would improve if he was allowed to practice more, same goes for many other young QBs.....but there's no time, its right now or "Hey checkout this college QB..."

Me reading this thread-

Fitz, Thanks for the good summary! I cannot disagree with much. Still glad this isn't another 2024 season, so I will take this late season playoff flirt....

I view QBs differently given the last five years. There's even that older obscure fact that if a QB has been with a team over five years and no SB, it will never happen. Now it feels like the league gives QBs three years and if no success, find another QB. Teams are in panic mode now too often and QBs......these poor QBs....Sure the money is great, but its unfair what's being asked of them. Deal is unless you have Allen, Mahomey, Herbo, Jackson, or Burrow you need to spend resources on finding a QB. Stafford(current MVP?) and others in this group, age and other factors means they are not long term like the first five listed. Wait those three years and you may be able to late pick swap for a QB drafted #2 overall.

You're more than welcome and Scott all of us have experienced your long posting. Id say most have been showered with positivity. If not I'll still read your reply, either way. My line of thinking we are in-season and by some miracles the Panthers are in the playoff hunt. While its the biggest decision in panther history, maybe it does need time during the off-season dull period. Im also not one to tell people what to talk about or when to to do so or what positive/negative etc.(boy the board is awful BY heavy.....). I do not like to tell my fellow Panthers fans how to fan.(I normally only jump in when its classless stuff or the common division BS ) Like I said, its the biggest choice and the effect will change the direction of this team for years to come.... Be unreal to hear Brandt/Dans TRUE thoughts on this topic...