Basbear

I had a firm 2 wins and if anything 1 win was my next vote.- Wrong. reason being next statement; Just don't have any talent, young, offense, defense, etc.- Id say right even with the 4 wins I just didn't believe in BY and still don't even with him improving from 42nd level play to 20th.- don't know how to call, I'd say 60 wrong 40 right. I thought Miles aka inches sanders would bounce back somewhat form the ultra poor showing- dead wrong. I believe this is my biggest FA miss of all-time Panthers wise. I don't judge rookies until 2nd full off-season. *But I didn't much like the class, only pick I agreed on was Sanders. I did go back and have a re-draft before seasons start, Dan did much better than I thought with the big whiff of brooks whom he traded up for. Still I thought they look better than past years and he found 2-4 UDFAs to fill holes. I'd want to see the same aggression for UDFAs this next class as well. My predictions have taken a drive nearly each year, like the Panthers I need to improve. I go for long odd stuff its my weakness. Still massive talent influx is needed. Besides OL(well center), Chubba, Dbrown, horn the whole roster needs help. Even ST needs a total overhaul, no kicker, punter, or LS is under contract for 2025. A few of the core STer are FAs too ie Franklin, franks, and Johnson. There's no reason to have this poor roster along with barely any cap space.

Are you using the BY scale for HC Dave?? I don't know if I see or feel the same, 30 years?? the best?? Like you said fox came here in with a 1-15 team and in two years they were in the SB. If Dave can match that, Ill agree with you.. My take, he's similar to BY, better than I thought- growing, learning, etc. I honestly had the expectations at 1 or 2 wins. 4 wins and BY is passing around 200 with 1TD and no INTs in his good games. Both are young and I still don't believe, but next season will show if the team building a new or just another GM, HC, QB reset....

Brother in case you didn't know, the new BY scale is being used here with this UDFA form another team..

When picking fruits and vegs, do you want fifteen options or just two?

Get use to it, only another 592 threads in the next two years about this topic incoming.

he -he he can still get better right ???....ugh I hate this is the best.......* I do feel he COULD have better numbers with more talent at WR&TE. Besides the Pats, I feel the Panthers are in the 30s ranks when talking about passing weapons. I mean for a good part of the season freaking chubby was the leader in recs. The same level of needing a edge, this team needs a legit "doesn't matter if double" stud at either TE or WR. BY is no different than any other QB in needing help....well tom Brady didn't need help....

You got it covered. I feel Morgan will offer Shaq a cheap deal. Corbett I feel will be playing elsewhere. Eddy is playing with a hurt knee, but he's a FA.

its still early, but it looks like 12 DL players will be in the top 25 ranks. Even 10 in the top 20.

I didn't care about the win either given no playoff. the "win at all cost" crew view is this- it doesn't matter between pick #3 or #27....... Yes they suck at drafting, I still want the best pick EACH round, its more value- plain and simple. This is the big picture thinking and long term. More than anything this team needs youth talent. Better odds if each pick is closer to the beginning of each round.

fitz is right about BY. we view ranking 20th as a great/hofer, but it is mainly due to his first 17 or so games. Those games broke me too. Far as the future, Id support ward and dump BY for draft cap. If not, then use a mid-rounder on a "sleeper" rookie and bring in a legit vet comp. By any means trade, wavier, FA.

Neon Deion had the most attention in ALL of football history for a 4 win team. It was a planet size nucular fire after TCU win and it got bigger, strange..

My honest take is diontae johnson was not the only player who threaten Dave if he kept BY at QB. Again this current BY is NOT the BY of last year and first two weeks, just a totally different player. I feel the part where he needs credit is he didn't commit to BY even when BY was ballin/well. He wanted BY to take over and claim the QB without him answering the question. Plus the game planning and play calling has been on point this last few weeks. Dave is a rookie at this too. Plus much like BY, I had nearly 0.0 faith in either, but that number is around 20 and I longer feel tortured watching. That's huge form where each was.

No one could see this roller coaster ride. I mean he's had 17 bad/awful games and 7 good/great ones. At any point you could be on the either side during. It's wrong to judge rookies, but he was the worst one in History that played a near full season. Glad he's no longer that player. _________________________________________________ I dont know if you're the guy, I think you are. But I owe you a apology for Rashawn Slater. I thought he would never be able to stay a top level LT and even after a bad injury he has. I was wrong about him.