Basbear

LOL, I tried to do this also....But I never found enough to make a guess.

gosh no one cares about the OGs... Id list hunt here too, if not for missing 95% of the season. Best I can say, Tri Turner was the best OG in panthers history if you factor in career length. Wharton was super solid, but never elite. Norwell while having a 1st all-pro, only played 2.5 starting years. If lewis stays on the panthers and keeps his play lvl at 2025, his path is right there and easy. In 2028 he could be the best OG in panthers history. Dang if panthers or NFL don't have long great careers.....its sooo rare.

All true, Stafford and Mccvay were both talking about "retiring" during those future picks too, I member. In my computer when you make future trade, I feel you have to factor in the worst case or close to it from your side. The big issue for the panthers, maybe even now is that they have not proven they can draft well enough to trade. I know that Dan and company have not traded future picks and they seem to always want 7-8 picks overall. They like to trade 3 picks for 3 picks or 2 for 2. It would have been great to flip BB for that haul and use those Rams picks instead of the first overall pick...... Verse wise, Jesus what a beast....... Garrett is the top dawg and all, but man this is rough for me. I also noticed this about the panthers they are pedo bears, they like dem young. So a 25 year old verse would have gotten gigged with the panthers. Even with NIL and 6th year, and even coofus fallback, panthers prefer younger players. Monroe Freeling (Round 1, Pick 19 | OT, Georgia): 21 years old Lee Hunter (Round 2, Pick 49 | DT, Texas Tech): 22 years old (estimated) Chris Brazzell II (Round 3, Pick 83 | WR, Tennessee): 22 years old Will Lee III (Round 4, Pick 129 | CB, Texas A&M): 21-22 years old (estimated) Sam Hecht (Round 5, Pick 144 | C, Kansas State): 21-22 years old (estimated) Zakee Wheatley (Round 5, Pick 151 | S, Penn State): 22 years old (estimated) Jackson Kuwatch (Round 7, Pick 227 | LB, Miami OH): 22-23 years old Tetairoa McMillan, WR (Arizona) — Age: 22 Nic Scourton, EDGE (Texas A&M) — Age: 20 Princely Umanmielen, EDGE (Ole Miss) — Age: 21 Trevor Etienne, RB (Georgia) — Age: 20 Lathan Ransom, SAF (Ohio State) — Age: 23 Cam Jackson, DT (FL)- age 22 Mitchell Evans, TE (ND)- age 22 Horn-22 Fitterererere just turned out to be a awful hire, too green, too willing to please, no sense of what talent looks like on teams other than Seahawks, too much pressure, didnt have the correct network of coaches and FO office people. Kick was herniay leftd him with a bare bones talent to start with and besides taking a bottom level team and improving it, he made it even worse AND trading prime draft picks to prolong the timeline to fix. People forget Dan didn't have the 1st overall pick and 39th overall(that dude looking good for bears) to repair this team. Dan could have traded that 1st overall for a proven 1k WR, 9th overall, future 1st and future 2nd......

This is a how I recall it as well. It was one "this year" 2nd and two future 1sts. Very few are able to predict the future, but I feel you had to label those 1st as late 20s. The true blunder was what you stated, before you turn down that massive offer, its a 100% must you sign Burns cause that value is still elite QB level offer. As we know either happened and Dan was a first time GM needing to fix this blunder of blunders. He or the group made the choice about not giving BB 30 per, I get it since he had holes in his game. The issue here is the issue since 2018= tepper. Sometime either during the hiring process or with the two years, Im fairly certain trepper demanded a QB on the roster with a capable roster to compete. Fittererererererer job was on the line and he gassed up trepper into believing BY and the roster were ready to win..................... That roster of 2023 in hindsight was awful, I was wrong....... I thought even with a rookie BY they could have challenged for the NFC south, not a chance with that dogshit team and coaching staff.......whom I was also fooled about. Now you have the worst team 2-14 without 1st overall pick, DJ Moore, and no Brian Burns. I don't know what or why or ____ just the panthers and finding good WRs with long careers is just cursed. You got Smitty and moose, that's about it for 25 years until they drafted DJ Moore.....so 3 dudes in 26+ years AND you trade one for a QB whom needs a team that doesn't struggle to find WRs......... Fittererererere was just like Morgan, he was a rookie GM and this team even back to 2020 just has failed at adding talent, young talent, or difference makers. Even look at the roster- Dbrown is about the only great player drafted in what feels like 10 years(horn struggles and tmac only 1 year)..... Treppers pressure is legend and him bringing in people with such little exp to fix the team was the main reason for 2 win 5 win seasons. He should have hired a old gray haired guy, but I know treppers ego would not allow someone else to have the answer. I've work with teppers type and still do...... Smart people observing them know "if its not their idea, they want nothing to do with cause weird human reasons" Doesnt matter if my idea can solve the issues with 24 hours and it 100% corrects the problem, nah his plan is for 3 weeks with different Appaloosa Strategies.......... I do think he finally took a few steps back and allowed Dan and Daves staff to learn on the job, he had no choice given the league refused his money.

You got to pay him and yes the WR market has gone insane. Much like the panthers and since Cam......since Matt its been a struggle at QB for them too. Best I can recall he's had good games against panthers no matter the CB.

Besides Greg, who's a surprising good karaoke singer at these panthers type events?

I feel.. your choice of words are ........... Face the fact Kermit malhomes has already won the CBPOY award. I don't care, Im still in the true belief that brooks will be a great #2 and get numbers that help team wins. Brooks being a great catcher would open more lanes for growth of this weak offense too.

For sure, to me its a huge deal if you are also doing this trade later..... 13th had plenty of *now* lets win a SB help besides a ? at QB. Not even lemon, Bain on a rookie deal had fallen there, about 5 OLmen that start this year on that mid-OL of the rams. Faulk and Lawrence were there too and had the standard rookie contract as edges/DEs. They just failed to trade down and then got scared some team would draft ty in the early 20s. Then bio-polar GM draft the project at QB and then makes a huge draft picks with star young player for the best NFL defensive player? I think if they draft lemon or even Shaq(rams have started this 1-3 TE move that everyone is copying), they would be the odds favorite for SB. Even draft bain or any of the 5 IOL and that's still places them tops in the SG race.

18 point lead are not enough, unless 90 secs left.

Lavender Scent?!?!? Fitz, you feeling fine there broski?!?! maybe blood work or something even worse?!?!?

You do care!! Sorry that you have to keep this board alive, I await the upgrades and thanks for this genX club for Carolina Panther fans... I hope your health is well.

I do not know if Freeling is ready, I know he also spent day after day against Georgia's best edge/DE factory. * I do know Walker will not stay long as a backup, this is his best chance to get a bag that somehow missed him this year. Panthers could use a top level DLman in the rotation and LT are rare to have, even 3 year decent play ones... Icky is trying to make it back and its a 6-12 months deal. Again feels like DL is the best solution. Bungals signed Allen in FA and have 2 other starter DTs. Kris was a monster at michigan and just hasn't broke out. Walker should be the best trade piece to improve this years team and a young former son of a panther great flop in the trade idea....