ImfromClayton

Before you say anything about this coaching staff, ask yourself why they are still coaching Ian Thomas

I am honestly tired of typing out thoughts similar to what I'm about to say, but I still think it holds water. This roster stinks. It would take extreme dysfunction for me to have any ill feelings towards Canales right now. I think Canales has done everything he is capable of doing. He doesn't waste timeouts, his challenges have been solid, he calls a good game, and we are never in positions where play calling is creating delay of game like Mike Shula used to do. He made a tough decision to play Andy, which clearly shows everybody he sees what needs to happen, and isn't afraid to tell Tepper what he thinks. I do think our guys are playing hard, they just aren't capable. The only thing he's done that I didn't like is give the starters the preseason off. Defense has had so many injuries there's nothing Evero can do. He's proven under multiple head coaches that he's a good coordinator. We deserve a lot of criticism, but this is the NFL. You have to have the players and coaches. We absolutely don't have the players. That means we really can't say anything definitive about the coaches. Final thought: If we were to fire Canales, even at the end of the season, the "David Tepper is a crazy person you don't want to work for" chatter would get even louder. I don't see it happening this year, or even next.

I think if the guy you want is there, take him. You can't miss if you take a QB high though. We have spent entirely too much money, too much draft capital on that spot. I would take BPA, and I would be very unmotivated to take a QB, as the miss rate on QB's is higher than other spots. My thought is DT, Edge, or a Spot in the Secondary early. Travis Hunter, Will Johnson, Mason Graham, or Mykel Williams. If you take a QB you better be sure.

Great Thread and Great point! It's a weird year in the league. LA sold out for their super bowl. so they probably expected to be here. Sure would be nice to have their first round pick... Outside of the rams, it's very interesting to see who is around us in the 1 win category. Us and the Jaguars have ownership with extreme amounts of money that is probably a little too involved. The Titans, Browns, and Bengals (two wins) are notoriously some pretty cheap franchises. Nobody can ever say Robert Kraft is a bad owner, but his MO before Belichick and Brady was to tinker. I don't like blaming ownership, as it's a giant boogeyman that you really can't do anything about, but you do see some extremely mismanaged rosters in our category. I also think it's important to mention that the NFL does everything in it's power to create parity. They know it's good for business. They are striving for every team to be 8-8-1. Being substantially below that year after year is an awful reflection of leadership.

Chuba has developed and worked so hard. I am so impressed with him. But teams with all the needs we have can't give a RB a 2nd contract. He's going to go play well somewhere for a few years, and it's going to sting. I won't be mad if we sign him at the right price, but we have to be smart here.

I'd like to see Bryce play some once we are eliminated from the playoffs. I am genuinely enjoying getting a look at what our offensive players are capable of. We have learned so much more about our receivers, our offensive line, and Chuba Hubbard the past few weeks with Bryce on the bench. We are also learning a lot about the lack of talent on Defense not being able to blame everything on an anemic offense that has the defense on the field too long. I think it's better for our scouts and evaluators to let Andy play. Everybody knows Andy isn't the long term solution. Bryce has had a chance. Now he has to wait for it to be the best thing for the organization to get another shot. I'd bet we see just that once December rolls around.

I think we are more than one pick away. I am optimistic about the future. The effort piece is there. I think our schemes and play calling are good on both sides of the ball. That said, this roster was already struggling, and massive injury concerns on the defensive side. We need help on the defensive line badly, preferably at the edge, but even another good DT would help. Derrick Brown and Jaycee Horn have been two of the best players at their position in the NFL the past couple of years. I'd love to see them play some games at the same time. For the first time in ages, I do think we are moving in the right direction. But I'm not sure I'd take a QB just yet.

Was just reminiscing about the good ole days and this happened to come up. anybody remember this one? Nobody on earth happier that Twitter likes are now private

I'm not sure this is a deep as some make it out to be. Bryce probably should have been playing. He was round 1 pick 1. Additionally, as many have pointed out, his strength was always his brain, never his measurables. His brain is what's failed him. There was no reason not to see if he could figure it out. It's also true that Andy has been a lot better, and the team would have had more wins if we had played Andy. But we mortgaged the future on Bryce. Even the most ardent Stroud supporter was not saying that Bryce would be this bad. Just an unfortunate situation.

I'm sure I'm about to get a ton of poop emojis, and that's fine, but we gotta chill on the defensive coaches. They literally proved to us they can do it last year. The injuries on that side of the ball are becoming insurmountable. The best coaching in the world can't fix that.

Agree totally. We aren’t winning the Super Bowl this year. the bengals are solid. We got dominated in the middle 8 minutes today. That happens. We gave up points on an INT that was batted at the line. Just unfortunate. Head coaching is learned. Canales made some mistakes. But man I was happy with both sides of the ball today. Feels optimistic for the first time in quite some time.

That's what I am just scratching my head about. Even if you thought he was bad last year, he clearly looks worse this year. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything quite like it. In week 2 he looked afraid to be out there, almost like Henry Rowengartner in rookie of the year.

Some might say it is hard to win in the NFL without the ability to throw the ball

Re-watching this morning. This offense is truly tailor made to be as simple as possible for a QB. While I am so thankful for Andy, nothing he did was exceptional. He made good pre-snap reads, made good progressions post snap, and took what the defense gave him. Timing routes were much more crisp as his footwork was very good. He played a really good game of QB. This makes me feel really good about Dave Canales.

Brooks has a very high ceiling. I am very excited for his tenure here. Chuba has worked hard here. For the right price, he's a great option as well.

I'm not sure he's the golden boy the media portrays him to be. I've seen a lot of posts and posters alluding to that. That said, he's gotta be asking himself some serious questions at this moment

I'll eat the crow. I was dead wrong. I am shocked that Bryce is clearly this awful at this point. I do hope that some of the scouting and talent acquisition positions that allowed this to happen have at least been seriously evaluated. I'm happy as I can be, but genuinely shocked. Not sure at this moment if Bryce has any value. Maybe Sean Payton or another offensive guy would take a look at a very cheap price. As for us, this clearly makes us a viable NFL team at least. The raiders aren't great, but we looked really solid. .500 the rest of the way is about the ceiling in my view, but that's a lot higher ceiling than I previously imagined.

John wooden once said “the bench is a hell of a motivator” I think this experiment is over, and he won’t play here again. BUT if Bryce addresses some of his deficiencies, he could realistically come back a better player. Ex: he’s too small to have bad footwork.

Man I know he never showed great. But he was a lot better last year. I’m not sure he ever would have been that good, but we broke this kid. What I saw yesterday is not even a backup in this league this is the right move, but if one of these college qbs says they aren’t coming to Charlotte, we can’t blame them. We can blame the bald guy with brass balls

I just hope this was Canales' decision and not Teppers. I am fine with any decision the head coach makes.

Most NFL players prime years are from ages 24 - 29. Everyone is different now with covid and all that, but for most players that's about year 3 through year 8. The players we drafted in the first round that are in that range now are: Ekwonu Horn Brown Burns Moore The two years before that were CMC and Vernon Butler. 4 of those players aren't here anymore. Horn and Brown have been great, but we haven't had both healthy at the same time really ever. Ick has been fine, but def not played up to draft slot. This is how you look like this on sundays. You can't miss on first round picks.

Far be it from me to recommend medical help for anyone. But we have broken Bryce Young, and it is one of the most unfortunate things I've ever seen. The thing that we drafted him for as a strength was his ability to read and process defenses. He can't do that at all anymore. We know that he never had elite physical skills. He's now had at least 3 play callers in 2 years. He's had at least 2 different schemes, but supposedly one of those was a blend of two different schemes. Our Offensive line was incapable last year, and our receivers were just as bad. While it's clear we've fixed both the offensive line, and the receiving room, it is clear that Bryce just can't do it right now. After the 2nd pick yesterday, he just started throwing the check down immediately. Even though we were down big, he was just terrified to throw an interception. You just can't play like that. I'm not someone that declared myself for a quarterback before that draft. I'm not someone that is defending Bryce Young. I am saying that even for Bryce defenders, it appears we have completely destroyed his career. I think the experiment is over. He may have been capable of being an all time great, or he may have been a bust regardless, but it really looks like we completely broke this kid. I would not be surprised at all if high profile quarterbacks don't start declaring that they won't play for us, like John Elway with the Colts (who ended up being correct btw). The dysfunction of this franchise is absolutely appearing on the field every Sunday.

The only difference in Dave tepper and Dan Snyder is that Dave is not problematic enough to have his franchise taken from him. and somehow, that’s worse.

Gantt being an app grad is the only thing that makes armanti edwards a legend of the game

I have no problem with the Bryce evaluation. I do think more orgs (and fans, (and huddlers)) had bryce as their #1 than would ever admit now. Projecting a QB as a top 3 pick is like playing Russian roulette but 4/6 chambers have a bullet. MOST of these guys do not meet expectations and it is a TERRIBLE spot to be in. If you miss, you are screwed for at least two years, if not 3, meanwhile the rest of your roster gets worse as you plug the hole at QB instead of spend that money at other deficiencies. The issue was making that trade in the first place and losing the capital we did, knowing how strong the QB draft was the following year, which did have a no doubt prospect at the top of the board. But we can’t can’t that now. time to support Bryce. If he can’t do it, we play roulette again next year.