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10 minutes ago, strato said:

I thought Flutie was the closest comp but iirc had a much better arm. 
There really is no good comp that I could dream up. 

Correct, there isn’t one. We went all in on the outlier of all outliers and lost. I swear if they extend him and devote huge cap space to this mediocrity I will lose my mind.

I bet #4 secretly hates Bryce and his noodle arm and not super processing brain.

11 minutes ago, scratched said:

What does everybody think about a late flyer on Duke QB, Darian Mensah? 

I would be fine with that, the kid can sling the rock.

Just now, Packersfan said:

I don’t know. It’s a tough decision. Without Love though we’re a 4 win team.

You are nuts. I would swap Bryce for Love in a New York Minute.

6 minutes ago, Packersfan said:

I know. I’m just saying he had the game winning drive for you guys. Look I hope Bryce continues to improve. I hope he can get you guys a SB someday.

Would you trade Love for Bryce straight up?

It is ok to agree to disagree Mr. Scot. You generally add a lot to this board. I myself have seen enough of Bryce to believe we need an upgrade at QB. He is who he is at this point and is a huge limiting factor in how effective our offense can be.

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There's a difference between having bad plays and having a bad game.

Even good quarterbacks have bad plays. Hell, Favre generally had at least three or four "what the @#$&" plays a game. And so did a certain quarterback who used to play here just a few years back.

Young did not have a bad game yesterday. And please don't give me the "we won in spite of him" bit because that is one of the stupidest arguments ever made.

Bryce most definitely had a bad game. That end zone interception is unforgiveable. 

Which one is backup and which one is the emergency third QB?

4 minutes ago, TD alt said:

So, a more handsome, thinner version of the Nebraska coach.

I never thought about it like that but damn you are right!

No one is saying much because no one believes Canales until he actually starts Rico and gives him time to get into rhythm. Dave is a smooth talking snake oil salesman most of the time.

It really is astounding that he is still employed as our DC.

The Packers are going to put an epic beatdown on us. Maybe enough to finally get Evero fired.

Evero never makes adjustments, he just keeps running whatever the game plan was over and over. He sucks.

Nick Scott once again at the bottom of the barrel. For the life of me I can’t understand what Evero sees in that JAG.

22 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That's hard to quantify and I think a little unfair since most of these QB's end up with dumpster fire franchises.

What would be the way you would include that? Win percentage? Total wins? 

How do you account for guys that just end up on shitty teams(Stafford pre-Rams, for example)?

Not against it, I just don't know how to do that and be fair across all those tiers.

Probably if you use it, percentage of wins in the games played along with percentage of seasons the team makes the playoffs. Your point about being on bad teams is very valid but that would affect all of the other criteria as well.

Post season wins.

2 minutes ago, strato said:

As of today what do you figure the odds are they do that? I am thinking he really has to mess things up before they would even think about it. 
 

 

 

I think if it was strictly Canales’ choice that BY would be gone. Tepper is the wild card because Bryce as his guy. He probably isn’t ready to have that much egg on his face. Dan and Dave need to have a sit down with Tep after the season and try to get him on board with cutting the cord.

1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

I'm going to humor you in case you're actually being sincere and are just ignorant. Also, you're not very good at tossing barbs. Please stop. 

I did not say random; I said arbitrary. That is a much different thing. 

You're comparing QBR in starts across multiple coaching staffs, seasons, offensive personnel, against defenses with wildly variable of levels of competency, and don't really have a lot of data points. Choosing the dividing line at pre and post benching is arbitrary, and it's not even consistent. He was benched in his first season too. Why not when Reich was fired? Or when Canales was hired? Or when they drafted XL? 

Also, what are potential lurking variables here? I would if I was grading this tell you that you're not really showing anything useful. If your argument is that his QBR has trended up on a per game average from "this point" on then congrats yes you're correct. This is called cherry picking data. 

I understand you're trying to make this quick and dirty, but QB rating by itself doesn't really paint a useful picture. A simple thing you could do it do a second line along the same time domains of what the defense ranked league wide at the time they played each other. I would try to use a cumulative stat from the same source, tho. So qb rating v scoring defense across these specific truncated set of games that have occurred across three seasons with multiple coaching staff. 

Some other suggestions for you 

1. This is the wrong type of graph. You want a scatter point. 

2. The range for QB rating improvement is like 15 points or whatever. The y axis is broken up into 25s. How can I quantify the line? 

3. Quarterback rating goes to 158.3. Why does your line only go to 125? 

The only thing I would really take from this is that Bryce Young sucks in a way that QB rating doesn't pick up on. This is what you'd call a "problem with the data." 

Lastly, I would point out that QB rating as a formula was finalized in 1973. Offenses were so anemic back then it's referred to as the "dead ball era." Maybe not the best metric to measure QB success half a century later.

like buddy i've taken masters level data science courses, and believe me I've done some shitty fuging work. my masters thesis ended up being about why my method of data collection didn't work well enough for me to defend my thesis. I wrote 100 pages just kinda shrugging and saying "Well ya know covid is so challenging etc." 

You're trying to tell people their eyes are lying to them and are posting a very bad graph to do so. Don't be upset when people not only argue with you but point out how bad your graph is. 

You are wasting your time. This kind of information is waaayyyy over his head.

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Hope you find somewhere that suits you better.

Funny how he didn’t answer the question about what he sees in Bryce that his detractors don’t. He just takes his ball and goes home.

1 hour ago, dep said:

There's a difference between being excited about someone playing (Dalton (lol)) and being excited because someone is injured, you know that though.

Also, I don't like Bryce - it isn't that deep.

No. One. Is. Happy. That. Bryce. Got. Hurt.

it really is simple and not very deep.

14 minutes ago, dep said:

Wunderhill explained it since you couldn't

 

Talk about deliberately obtuse when you're playing dumb. Call a spade a spade, playing dumb is for children. Stop it

You are bringing awesome dialogue to the Huddle Derp, thanks for dropping by. Stop by again the next time the Lil guy plays and throws for 135 yards. You and Wunderhill need to take your circle jerk about Bryce to Reddit.

17 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Great now we are using the definition of gas lighting to then gas light. Chefs kiss on that full circle.

 

Yes that was impressive

21 minutes ago, dep said:

what's a lie?

You are being deliberately obtuse because no one can be that dense.

2 minutes ago, dep said:

if you point that out they'll say you're a Bryce stan 

Because it is a lie.

1 hour ago, musicman said:

Small minded response. Of course he's not going to get bigger. But if he shows continuous progress it MIGHT take him another year or 2 to reach a top 10 or so QB. We invested too much into him and he is not a bust and actually has better stats than CJ for the last 17 games. H'es not a bust he just may not be a #1 draft pick worthy but most aren't. 

Yes, he is a bust. He is not worth what we paid to draft him, he is not worth picking up the 5th year option, and he is definitely not worth an extension. All things considered, a bust.