Jay Roosevelt

The Zebras beat us as much as the Bucs did.

fug those clowns.

fug all the anti-fans who rooted against this team. Take y'all asses on down the street and find another team.

Me, too. But they lost. Now they can still get in with a Saints loss. Why would any fan root against their team making the playoffs?

Hopefully Evero and XL.

Anyone rooting AGAINST the Panthers making the playoffs needs to reevaluate their status as a fan of this team. There's no good reason not to want to win a division title at this point. We're not protecting a top-5 draft pick here. We have nothing to gain by not making the playoffs. Anyone rooting for the Saints is just a miserable excuse for a fan who just wants something to bitch and moan about.

Anyone who thought this wasn't going to happen was fooling themselves.

I'd give up a 3rd rounder for a team to take Evero off our hands.

I wish.

Time for Evero to go. Jesus.

XL is the worst player in the league.

I get wanting us to lose during a lost season if it means a higher draft pick. But at this point there's no good reason to root for a loss this week. All the people thinking a loss will mean Bryce is cut/benched/traded and/or Canales is fired aren't living in reality. Whatever your thoughts are on either of them, there is ZERO chance we don't bring both back next season regardless of the result on Saturday.

I don't understand the math with this but ok.

This is the correct answer.

Malik Willis at QB here with Matt Rhule - and later Frank Reich - would have been a disaster for his career. He went to one of the best places he could for his development and wasn't forced onto the field before he was ready.

We've long since blown past getting a top-10 pick. We might as well win the goddamn division.

I fully expect us to beat the Bucs. As up and down as we've been, the Bucs have been in a historical free-fall. This is our "good" week. Coming off a loss. Bucs are fuged. We win. And probably get run off the field in the wild card against the Rams or whoever, but the playoffs are the playoffs.

1) Shockey is not a "Panthers great." All due respect, he was here for one decent season. 2) This is probably the most accurate take on Bryce. You see flashes, but you also see a QB that just hasn't been able to develop any consistency.

Unless we can get a decent draft pick for him I don't know that we have much choice. Thankfully we don't really need him at this point with TMac + Coker.

Todd Bowles IS John Fox, essentially. You give him a talented team and he'll manage to not completely screw it up - and may even do well. But the moment his teams face any amount of adversity it all falls apart.

Sonny Styles is the way.

All due respect to Smitty, Peppers, Cam, etc. Luke is the best player to ever wear a Panthers uniform.

No, you're right. It doesn't mean you can't call out his flaws and poor play. But it also doesn't mean you can't admit when he plays well and shows improvement. Not you personally, just in general I mean.

I will say, I do think there's a version of Bryce that could be really successful as a high-volume passer in a spread-based offense built around quick throws and timing-based intermediate throws with deeper throws schemed up around them. I actually think the power run based offense we're running is a poor fit for Bryce as it requires him to play under center far more often. It's a very traditional offensive approach whereas I think a scheme that spreads defenses out and lets Bryce distribute the ball quickly with anticipation and accuracy is the sweet spot for him. The key, of course, is to find a way to run the ball efficiently out of those formations. Our personnel right now (backs and OL) aren't good fits for that style of offense and I'm not sure it's a scheme Dave Canales favors very much either.

I think that depends on whether you think he's done developing. If he continues to improve as he has over the last year and a half for another season or two (especially with his deep passing) we'll really have something. I know there are questions about how high his ceiling actually is, which I think is the real foundation of the debate about him, but at this point I don't think it matters much because we're not moving on from him for at least another season and likely another 2 seasons. So wherever side of the debate people are on we all might as well sit back, root for the guy and hope for the best.