Ricky Spanish

If we Take an LT we need a QB other than Cam, because Cam just ain't it anymore.

Urban is Worse. Rhule is a way better salesman though.

I originally disagreed with you, but you are right, there were only 3 minutes left. Realistically it didn't matter one way or the other at that point whether we went for two then or later, but if it were the middle of the 4th you would DEFINITELY have more time to strategize if you don't convert and still give the team a chance to win.

5-12*

Oh wow, "On good authority, the Teddy deal was 100% Rhule, not Hurney. It was almost part of the deal when he was brought on as HC he wanted Teddy". Jesus Christ, please get rid of this clown now.

I think the Panthers win. Our strengths match their weaknesses. Is that the best for the team moving forward? Who knows. If we get waffle stomped on our home field after a bye week by a division rival though, Rhule needs to be sent packing ASAP.

You should try chickpeas then

He had a top 5 offense with Blake Bortles in 2017.

It's fun to dream though.

I want him more than Daboll. Has had more success in more places and made Blake Bortles look good. We need that kind of Coach.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/09/16/nathaniel-hackett-journey-from-doctor-to-dancer-to-top-head-coaching-candidate-daily-cover Another one So the DBO would go away. Neat

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/10/23/packers-nathaniel-hackett-coach/ He's at the top of my list. Excerpts below as to why: Dude sounds like a breath of fresh air. Forward thinking, adapts, embraces change. I want.

I was hyped as hell at the beginning of the 3-0 start. There were definitely some concerns in the back of my mind that we might just be beating bad teams, and Sam wasn't exactly world beating, just playing well enough not to lose. Then the wheels fell off. If we win on Sunday, I'll probably feel nothing. as I've said in other threads, I actually think our team strengths match up well with the Falcons' weaknesses. As bad as our OL has been this year, there's has been worse. We are on a downward trend and beating up the other small kid in the class doesn't make you look like a badass. If we win out and end up in the post season I'll be thrilled and I'll eat my crow, but I seriously doubt our team is good enough and well coached enough to end the season 10-7. We have to play the Bucs twice, the Bills once, and the Falcons and Saints once each.

Tommy Jone*

I think we vets are tired of the losing man. I've been a member of the huddle since 2009. Been through the end of the Fox era and the end of the Rivera era. I remember everything that happened last year which is why I was optimistic for the season going into 2021. If we were able to be competitive with the poo team that we had in 2020, we should be much improved with more offseason and a better team thrown together with a new GM. Saying all that, there were 4 new head coaches that were in the same boat as Rhule was last year. Comparing our team's success to the other 4 new head coaches from last year, Rhule has been the worst of the 5. He is being out coached by Kevin Stefanski, coach of the perpetual joke of the Browns who won 1 more game in 2019 than the Panthers before the two coaches took over. Year one he went to the playoffs, we won 5 games. Mike McCathy sucked year one, division leaders year two. Rivera, playoffs year one with a worse QB situation and Playoff contention year two with our QB backup castoff. Joe Judge - not great, won't lie. However his team whooped our ass and he has the same amount of wins as the panthers in the same time frame, and his team is being competitive while doing it. We seem to getting worse, and we seem to be getting worse as a direct relation to the choices that Rhule and his staff have made since his hiring. If we were still 5-7 and we seemed to be competitive we would be frustrated but not miserable and disinterested like we are now. Instead we have little hope for the future based on the staff's past moves, the state of the QB situation, and our lack of top 100 draft picks in the upcoming draft. I'm just ready to stop sucking and the current trend does not show this changing any time soon under Rhule.

I want to believe, but it looks like Gross' arms are an inch longer - 33.25 compared to 32.25

We don't have Jack Easterby? That's all I've got.

OK roster was dildos when he got it. He then turned around and did dildos moves with it by trading for Sam Darnold. That could be forgiven if the rest of the team didn't look inept and they weren't getting out coached, just beaten. Last year we were in damn near every game we played so expectations were that some of those 8 one score games would flip the other way to a W. Instead we aren't as competitive and we are getting blown out week in and week out. With an improved roster from his first season, we look worse than we did last year. That points to poor coaching.

No No, guys he has a point Matt Rhule has: Never been beaten by the same team 3 times in on season Never lost an NFC Championship Never lost an AFC Championship Never lost the Super Bowl Never lost a single post season game

Depends on how badly we lose to Atlanta. I honestly expect us to win this week because Atlanta has been pretty bad and our defensive strengths match their offensive weaknesses pretty well.

Alright so I'll give my perspective. At this point year two of the Rivera Rebuild we were 3-9, compared to 5-7 that we are at this point this year. These records do not detail the whole story. Of the 9 losses with Rivera, 7 were one score losses, showing that the team was actually competitive. Of our 7 losses this year, 3* were one score losses with the other 4 being complete blowouts. Under Rivera we also drafted two consecutive rookies of the year with Newton and Kuechly so we were set at the QB position for the foreseeable future and that was hype. As the team wasn't winning, we also realized that Rivera didn't have complete roster control and that was Hurney's responsibility. We got rid of him in the middle of the season and that gave the fans some hope that now that Hurney was gone he couldn't tank the team anymore with horrible contracts and terrible day two drafting. Rhule has full control of the roster and has seemed to make the roster worse each year he has been here. Rhule's first year he used double speak and got rid of our franchise QB his first offseason here pissing a lot of fans off. Then he brought in a crappy QB in Teddy bridgewater to replace Cam and Teddy was underwhelming. Then he traded for the WORST starting QB in the NFL from the jets giving up 3 picks in the process. So going into year three with each coach, we are on the upswing with Rivera and the downswing with Rhule. The guy that put the underwhelming roster of 2012 together has gotten the boot, and the guy who put together the underwhelming roster of 2021 is still under contract and looking like he's going to meddle even more. With Rivera we have two picks in the first 3 rounds, with Rhule we have one pick in the first three rounds (top 100 players in the draft). We have one QB under contract and he is historically one of the worst QBs in the NFL. The Offensive line, while no gem under Rivera, is even worse under Rhule who valued versatility over actually being good at any one position. On top of it all, the team looks like they just don't give a poo under Rhule whereas the team looked like they actually cared about playing for Rivera. Most of us were willing to give Rivera one more shot with a new GM and the hope that he would stop being so damn conservative. Rhule has used up every ounce of grace by tanking the offense, hiring guys who aren't NFL caliber coaches across the board, and getting outcoached the second half of the season week in and week out. It was different. It is different. It looks pretty obvious that Rhule is out of his element. Could he turn it around in year 3 like Rivera? Maybe. All trends are pointing down though, and the Fans are sick of watching this team flounder around in mediocrity due to a college coach being out of his element.

Heinecke couldn't stay healthy so we moved on. That doesn't bother me. Trading 3 draft picks for the worst QB in the NFL and immediately picking up his 5th year option when a solid if not spectacular starter could be had for a 6th while still on his rookie contract is available is more egregious to me personally. It essentially becomes a trade of Teddy Bridgewater for Gardner Minshew at that point, and I believe that Minshew is a step up from Bridgewater personally.

He is if you have a young guy waiting in the wings to learn from him. Fitz + rookie is 1000x better than whatever we're going to be doing with Matt Rhule at the helm next season.