Ricky Spanish

I hope we look competent and everyone stays healthy. HOT TAKE: "Let's go" by Trick Daddy and Lil' John is a superior hype song compared to the original Crazy Train by Ozzy Osborne. The undoubted best part of the original song is the sick intro, and then the hype falls off a cliff when Ozzy starts singing. At that point, you can do the "Dancing in the street" Moves from Jagger and Bowie throughout the rest of the song, it's that lame. "Let's go" Takes the best part of the original song and makes that part the whole song, which is awesome and face melting and hyped to the heavens.

Post updates for the joint Practice with the Jets on 8/15 in this thread. The compliment sandwich was fun, but hard to moderate. This thread will be a bit easier: Unless you are providing a tweet/update on the practice, any and all responses MUST CONTAIN at least One hot take about anything, Panther related or not. Failure to provide a hot take will result in a hot take being provided for you. Don't come at me with any of these weak-ass, "OH we will suck, Bryce will suck!!1!" lukewarm-ass takes. That's boring. These are cold takes, we read those daily. I want Carolina Reaper levels of spicy. I want Henry Cavill shirtless, running and wet in the Superman reboot levels of hot. I want burning coals redder than the devil's dick levels of heat. Commence.

So, there was context, and I even gave room for arguments against Bryce that would potentially lead to that low INT% in his small ball approach and lack of downfield throws. I didn't even say he was objectively good at it, In fact my direct quote was "protecting the ball from INTs was one of the few things that Bryce was halfway decent at last season (Fumbles, another story)". Since I said it was one of the few things he did well, it could be implied that he did many more things downright bad based on my wording. My point was that Bryce could be criticized for 9/10 categories, but picking that specific argument as a point of criticism was not the right one. There was nothing about my argument that was brought in bad faith. It was, a very specific stat to directly speak on one specific criticism against Bryce. At no point was I saying I like Bryce or that he will in fact be good. Bringing up bad throw % and turnover worthy plays are fair arguments to bring up in the discussion, and I welcome those numbers and insights because I'm a data nerd, however I did not have access to those stats.

OK so there are 3 worst case scenarios guys, not 2. The stats aren't in our favor.

I'm reserving judgement and not making any proclamations until like week 6. I think we'll know by then if it was Bryce or if it was Reich. Two worst case scenarios: Bryce gets hurt so we can't properly evaluate him and miss a chance at a QB in the draft next year even though we'd have a high pick. Bryce is juuuuuuuuuusst good enough, low middle of the pack QB, we finish outside the top 10 in terms of draft position and Bryce gets another year of evaluation in Canales scheme. Think Derek Carr. Two best case scenarios: Bryce is him and we have a franchise QB. Bryce sucks so bad we get a top pick and draft his replacement.

No argument here. We'll see how much was Bryce and how much was personnel and or play calling this year. I honestly have no clue what the chicken or the egg is with Bryce. It wasn't just the lack of downfield plays, it was the lack of explosive plays in general. There were no pass plays where a guy took a quick slant an additional 30 yards, or plays where a receiver made a guy miss and took it to the house. It was all quick curls, out routes, and 0 YAC all year long. How much of that was Bryce not getting the ball to the right guy/giving them a chance at YAC, and how much of that was Reich's terrible scheme? The new coaching staff gives hope that those plays CAN happen, but is Bryce capable of getting the ball to the playmakers for explosive plays? No way to tell until the season starts, unfortunately.

The data is still valid, it's just not as granular as it could be. I took into account each type of play where the QB touches the ball (Passes, rushes, and Sacks) and calculated that against total turnovers. A more granular conclusion is that Bryce was more likely to turn the ball over when he's tackled than Sam, and Sam is more likely to turn the ball over when he attempts a pass than Bryce.

No idea, that's just how the data is coded on PFR. They don't distinguish a fumble on a run play/scramble vs. a fumble from a blindside hit in the pocket. Those types of fumbles are not equal, much like INTs off a receiver's hands and Arm Punts on 3rd and long vs. the Sam Darnold "The hell were you looking at?" Special.

It's considered a "Running" Stat on PFR and not on the passing table. I just looked it up: Howell fumbles - 2 on 48 attempts, sacked 65 times Bryce fumbles - 6 on 39 attempts, sacked 62 times Results: Howell turnover play % - 3.2 Bryce turnover play % - 2.5 Howell turns the ball over at a higher rate than Bryce, even with fumbles taken into account.

I came on strong on that last post. I am legitimately sorry. You're frustrated, I'm frustrated, we're all frustrated that the team sucks. That's not an excuse to be a dick. My bad. HOWEVER The first part of the bolded above statement I will not argue. The SECOND part however, is factually, and statistically incorrect. Howell had 21 interceptions on 612 attempts. He had the 2nd worst INT% in the league behind only mac jones: Bryce's stats are ugly pretty much across the board... except that INT%. In conclusion: He is not turning the ball over as bad or worse than Sam Howell.

Genuine question, are you illiterate? So this is the annoying poo that makes me hate this fanbase right now. We can't have a decent intellectually honest conversation about this team anymore, it's all hot takes, overt negativity, or blind optimism/hopium. Not once did I say Bryce NEVER threw picks. I said he, for the most part, kept the ball safe. I even gave the caveat that he threw a few boneheaded picks throughout the year. One might even be able to associate those "few" that I spoke of to the Colts game as an example if they had some semblance of critical thinking skills. I gave a statistic, cut and dry, that Bryce threw fewer picks %-wise than the league average. I even said he might not have been making the correct call, just not a catastrophic one, on the majority of his 527 pass attempts last year. Not once did I pontificate that Bryce was infallible and never threw bad interceptions. Your response to that statistical fact, is that it doesn't matter because he threw two bad picks in one game. How miserable are you in your personal life? Is the team's terribleness tainting your daily life so badly that you have to grasp at straws of negativity whenever the name "Bryce Young" is uttered around you? Did he kill your dog? Did you lose money when we drafted him? Did you spot him in the shower at the local YMCA and start feeling insecure that a man who is smaller in stature than you is hanging more dong? You have to either be a sad, lonely individual, or you can't read. Which is it?

I honestly think Plummer played so terribly it was impossible to evaluate the other players on offense.

So, to be devil's advocate, Bryce didn't throw a ton of interceptions and he didn't have a ton of Sam Darnold boneheaded INTs. He had a few, but he only threw 10 total INTs on the year. League average INT% was 2.3. Bryce was well below that at 1.9. You can make the arguments that he was playing small ball, not taking risks, etc, but protecting the ball from INTs was one of the few things that Bryce was halfway decent at last season (Fumbles, another story). I have no idea if he was making the RIGHT decisions on a play by play basis because the offense as a whole was abysmal - but he wasn't making the WORST decisions on a play by play basis.

We trade TMJ to the Bills so he can reunite with Joe Brady. This frees up a roster spot for local hero Jalen Coker. We trade Miles Sanders to the cowboys. This frees a roster spot for Boone.

I mean you CAN get better from sitting on the sidelines... I get what you're saying though and it doesn't apply to Bryce because he started week one last season.

Yep. He hasn't earned the right to lead in a vocal, critical way yet. If he starts playing better, then he can do that.

I can't take anyone seriously who uses the term "alpha" in earnest. Different people lead different ways. Screaming at people who make mistakes doesn't make you an "Alpha" it makes you an asshole. Cam didn't truly become the team's leader until Smith was let go. Then it became his team and we took off. Peppers never spoke, but he was a monster. He let his play do the talking. If Bryce ends up playing well, he can do the same thing, but just because he isn't jumping around screaming in people's faces doesn't mean he isn't capable of leading. If some 22 year old was hired in my office to lead a team and he started being an abrasive dickhead, while he too, was not performing, moral would completely tank and no one would like him.

I appreciate the effort to follow directions from the original post. Some of you can do better, myself included, since I'm only spot checking these. Remember 2015? That was fun.

Defense is showing up, that's good. I worry that the entire offensive side of the ball is so devoid of talent across the board, it doesn't matter who we put under center, becuase the center may suck just as bad, it will take years to put together even a remotely average offense. UDFAs are so easy to cheer for, really hope that Richardson can make the team.

Glad Shaq is coming back People who pronounce "Reese's Peanut butter cups" as "REE-SEES" instead of "REE-SAYS" are illiterate and don't understand the possessive apostrophe in English and I immediately look down upon them as lesser people. Reese's are pretty dank and probably my favorite candy

Today will be fun

Teddy had a better deep ball, he had absolutely zero intermediate ball though. It'd be 20 passes less than 10 yards and one bomb that probably connected per game. Bryce it's 12 <10 yard throws, and then 8 intermediate throws with maybe a deep shot that doesn't connect. People comparing Bryce to Teddy are just wrong, the only similarity is arm strength, and truth be told, teddy had a more accurate deep ball. However Teddy was completely averse to throwing the ball beyond the 1st down markers and Bryce would consistently throw the ball in the intermediate range of 11-20 yards, albeit, With mixed success. The offense as a whole was better and had better talent under bridgewater compared to the clusterfug Reich put on the field last year.

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Just caught up on the thread. Thank you for staying on the topic presented on the original post, you didn't disappoint.

Bitch about how much you wanted CJ Stroud and talk about Bryce's weak arm in this thread for TC Updates.