Ricky Spanish

That trade for Okung was about as lose lose as you can get. He never really lived up to that second contract he got with us, declined each year after he got paid.

At absolute worst, it's a minor overpay. Not even worth complaining about. Cmcs contract was worth complaining about. DeAngelo williams contract was worth complaining about. Robbie Anderson's was worth complaining about. Charles Johnson's was worth complaining about.

Interesting that they have Shenault as #3 over TMJ.

This entire discourse reminds me of Charles Johnson back in 09/10 or whenever that contract happened. He got a contract that reset the entire pass rusher market and he wasn't as good as Burns is at this point in their careers respectively. He didn't quite live up to that contract but he was never a true liability while he was making that money. I expect something similar to happen with Burns contract-wise, but I think Burns takes it up another notch in his play simply because he's been hamstrung by scheme in his recent years. We'll see.

I had the same thoughts, but I'm willing to give this guy some grace. He put out an hour and a half breakdown of our team broken down by coaching staff, departures, additions, and position group and the most egregious mistakes were saying Wilks went to Denver, Campen was a new addition, and our backup guard was a backup tackle. The Ickey Eval is just a difference of opinion. He does this for 31 other teams. Mistakes will happen, and even the ones he made weren't even that bad. Talking heads on networks spout out far more dumb takes about NFL teams than this in a fraction of the time. Our team will rise or fall based on how Bryce plays. We have a lot of solid but not great players right now, which is why we are ranked where we are, but overall I think we have the best all around team in the division.

He also brought in Michael Oher who was fantastic for us but his brain got scrambled so he had to retire. That lead to Matt Kalil, which lead to his ultimate demise as GM. Also Norwell. Dude brought in guys but his northern demeanor did not mesh well with our southern business. I know people are clowning on those who supported him and I won't pretend that I wasn't one of them - but I still believe that Gettleman was a better overall GM than Hurney. Hurney did literally only one thing well, and that was draft first round talent. Gettleman was hamstrung at the beginning of his tenure by Hurney (and Richardson's) horrible cap management and boneheaded decisions. He did well his first few drafts, then completely tanked 2016, then knocked 2017's out of the park, but by that time he seemed to have burned every bridge in the building so he was shitcanned. Is he necessarily a GOOD GM? No. But he was better than Hurney. The fact he had as many winning seasons and more playoff appearances in 5 years as Hurney did in 15 shows he was more competent. He was a prick though. No arguments there.

He's talked about it before. Cam Came in as a young guy and was kind of handed the reigns of the franchise, whereas Steve felt he had to work his ass off to earn that. He also talked about how they were just at completely different points in their lives, Cam was a young single 20's guy, Steve was an Early 30's guy with a family so there wasn't a lot of overlap in terms of interest.

Didn't even really get into his best shittalking moments. "Ice up son" "Put my momma out there and I'll beat her like a drum too" "If I see him on the street I'll bust him in the fuging mouth" So on and so forth.

Don't kink shame. Especially when you obviously have some semblance of a masochist fetish seeing as you're a fan of this team.

Watching this team play the past 3 years has been the visual equivalent to that.

Jesus Christ. If that's true, WOW. What a dick.

I don't know what you're talking about. Regardless, hell yeah, congrats on the new youtube career

Well this is an interesting lil' tidbit of hot goss in the replies:

For real though, anyone that went after his wife and kids is a grade A piece of trash human being. He still sucked as a coach for us though and was properly ridiculed for the product he put out on the field.

Nah, Marvin McNutt for sure.

I didn't want him, personally, but I don't think he's as bad as people on here make him out to be. That coaching staff in general though, yes they are bad. If the saints suck it's because they're getting old and the coaches suck, not because of Carr.

I thought I wrote this out in another post but I guess I didn't hit submit. Here's where I see our Receivers coming out: TMJ, Chark, Thielen - 12 Total TDs and an Avg of 700 between the three. Don't know who gets the most or what the ratio is, but 2100 yards between those 3 is the optimistic take from me. Hurst - 500 yards with 4 TDs. Potentially more TDs and fewer yards because I think he'll be a legit RZ threat. Mingo - 400 yards, 2 TDs Shenault - 200-300 yards, 1 TD Sanders - 300-400 receiving yards. 3 Receiving TDs. All other Receivers/TEs/RBs combined - roughly 250 yards, 3 TDs If that's the case, that gives Bryce roughly 3,750 Yards and 25 TDs which is a fantastic rookie year. Not sure if it will be that good, but I think it's possible, especially with the coaching staff we have now. Probably an optimistic take, can definitely see the top 3 Receivers not getting as much receiving yards total as I initially thought, but it's still possible.

Yep, this is pretty much where I see his role this year. I don't expect a ton of yards but I expect a ton of important yards, 3rd downs, red zone catches, red zone TDs. The dude can still run great routes and he has hands like glue. His skillset is ideal for a big slot role, especially in this offense. Wouldn't be surprised if he has a Greg Olsen like impact - Not necessarily the yardage, but he's the safety blanket and go to guy who you can depend on to make a catch to move the sticks when you need it.

Justin Tucker is not on the list. I'd rather have him than half the guys listed. BTW it's Burns and Brown for those wondering.

I thought it was cool that they had actual evidence of them discussing and viewing tape of every one of our draft picks. There wasn't a "Draft a long snapper for the memes" pick like with Rhule. How dare he try and push out one of the GOATs of Long Snapping.

Let's look at the receivers and cast in terms of GPA. A - Great =4pts B - Above Average =3pts C - Average =2pts D - Below Average =1pt F - Failure =0pts Here's what our Supporting cast looked like at the Beginning of last year, and then the end of last year: Beginning: Baker = F CMC = A DJ Moore = B Robbie Anderson = F Shenault = D TMJ = INCOMPLETE (But by the end of the year he was a C so I'll just use that for his grades all the way through) Ian Thomas = D Tremble = D GPA - 1.5 (You get kicked out of school with this GPA) End of year significant contributors: Darnold = C (He played fine at the end of the year, don't feel like I'm being generous in this assessment) Foreman = C Hubbard = C Moore = B TMJ = C Thomas = D Tremble = D Shenault = D GPA - 1.75 (Academic Probation with this Grade) Let's look at what we have now with everything we've added, and assume that Bryce plays at an Average QB level: Young = C Sanders = B Hubbard = C Thielen = C Chark = C TMJ = C Shenault = D Hurst = C Mingo = INCOMPLETE GPA - 2.0 (C's Get Degrees) If Young and one average receiver play at a B level, the GPA jumps up to 2.25, slightly above average. On paper, we have improved to average and that includes being generous with last year's grades and conservative with this year's. I don't see how we don't win at least two more games with an Average supporting cast, putting us firmly in the playoff hunt for a WC spot at the least.

I have said it in another thread, but I expect us to be this year's Jaguars and have a slow start out of the gate and then turn into a contender as the year goes on. There will be growing pains with the new staff and new personnel, that's inevitable. Also Reich has a history in Indy of starting seasons off slow for whatever reason, I have read Colts fans warn us about that. But the staff in general is too strong to be a bad team. The roster is better than our record was last year because we had a joke of a coaching staff set the foundation, and then once we brought in a grown-up with Wilks we started competing. That's with Darnold as our starter, McAdoo as our OC, Al Holcomb as our D-Coordinator, and a short-staffed coaching staff after Wilks fired everyone. Every Receiver we brought in is better than Robbie Anderson, even if they aren't better than Moore. It's a net positive of being solid with little drop-off between people on the depth chart. We brought in interior depth with Williams and Tuttle to help our run defense. We brought in secondary help with Bell. We have a DC that seems to know what to actually do with Jeremy Chinn. We took the #1 QB in college football in Bryce Young. There is no reason we shouldn't be contending for this division. Our only true net negative loss the entire offseason was getting rid of Moore. We got better in literally every other area of our team minus CB and Pass rusher where we remained stagnant But even then there's still the opportunity to fill those needs through roster cuts and available Vets who want to skip Camp. I am normally very reserved with my predictions and or outlook each season due to the conservative history of our Owner, Coaches, and GMs of the past, but this just absolutely feels different.

This. TEs, like RBs, should never be drafted in the 1st round.

Rhule gave Ian Thomas 16 mil over 3 years one season ago. He has managed less thank 1k in that same 5 year timeframe as Hurst with his best season coming his rookie year. I think we can all agree Hurst is better. Also, only 13 Million of that contract is guaranteed for Hurst (Thomas will get roughly 8-9 Million when it's all said and done thanks to the guarantees and restructure). Neither will see the full value of either contracts.

Hurst was a 25 YO rookie TE when he was drafted. He has done about as well as I expected him to do since he has been drafted. We haven't been able to do much at the position ever since Greg started getting injured and Cam couldn't throw the ball any more. He's a very fluid athlete with great hands. Looking at his previous stops he didn't explode for various reasons: BAL- they happened to draft a Mark Andrews so they didn't use Hurst as much. Hurst is an Average TE, Andrews is a top 3. Simple as that. ATL - 4th option behind Julio, Gage, and Ridley but Still had a good year in 2020. Then fell off with the new Staff in 2021 after drafting a generational talent at the position in Pitts that year. New scheme wasn't great for the team all around and the entire passing offense struggled since Arthur Smith loves to run the ball. CIN - Afterthought in a loaded offense, 5th in terms of targets but still caught damn near everything thrown his way (76% Catch rate). Dude's career Catch rate is really good (71%) and TEs tend to have the best years of their careers from their late 20's into their early 30s. I would not be surprised to see Hurst put up similar respectable numbers to what he did in ATL in 2020 - 500 yards, 6TDs. Dude wasn't worth a first rounder, but to me that was more because of his age than anything. He is an AVG TE where we had a bottom 3 TE Room under Rhule, and we aren't breaking the bank to pay him. I don't anticipate we have a certified #1 receiver this year. I expect our top 3 to hover around similar stats. So if Chark, TMJ, and Thielen each get an average of 700 yards, Hurst gets 500, Sanders gets 400, Mingo gets another 400, and Shenault/Byrd/everyone else add another 200 Total - That gives Bryce 3,600 yards passing, which is pretty damn good for a rookie and puts him at #12 in passing yards last season behind Aaron Rodgers. I trust this staff to scheme these guys open, and I trust Bryce, hell even Andy Dalton, to throw to any of these dudes that are open.