Ricky Spanish

I was willing to give Bryce the first month before I finally threw in the towel. Especially after getting new receivers and a new line and a new cohesive scheme where guys were actually getting open. I was willing to hold onto some semblance of hope. I turned the game off in the first quarter. Bryce is absolutely terrible and we wasted so much talent and draft capital to get him. I'm out. I'm done. I resign my position of resident "Wait and see and give him a chance" guy.

The bot is fine for the offseason and if we are winning. It's when the team is pissing on our legs and the bot tells us it's raining that it needs a break.

Pretty sure that will change when more of the dummy years in other contracts Fitt put together hit. Thielen, Sanders, etc. had dummy years that might affect those dead cap numbers. Not positive though. Either way, Fitterer was the absolute worst.

Bryce has a noodle arm and will suck because he can't chuck 50 yard bombs. But also he has done that before in college. But also he hasn't done it in the pros so he can't do it. Also he sucks and we wasted the first pick on him. But also the Reich fiasco was a disaster and we allegedly switched offenses 3 times before opening day putting him in a position to fail. But also he's the first overall pick so he should have been able to hard carry the team regardless of the clusterfug of the coaching staff. But also the huddle doesn't WANT him to fail, they just know he will. And those same people that want him to succeed also want to tank this year to guarantee we get a new QB in the next draft. But most importantly - Dave Canales is like, really hot.

Moton is good to great and worthy of being paid top 10 at his position, and he is being paid as the #8 highest paid RT on a yearly salary: He was #4 highest paid at time of signing, but that was also coming off his great 2020 season, he has been more than worth his contract thus far, we just suck so we've wasted having a good tackle in his prime under contract. I would argue that Moton is the 2nd best tackle (left or right) we have ever had in our franchise's history behind only Gross, and 3rd/4th best OL overall behind Gross and Kalil, and on par with Wharton who was also underrated. Moton isn't elite but he's better than just good and replacing him would create an unnecessary bigger hole than just paying him.

Still though, not a huge drop-off and he's still in the solid green and considered "High Quality" Player by PFF Standards all but 2022. That's a pro-bowl level Tackle, and top 10 RT. Of all the players on the line, he is the least concerning for one reason or other.

I think you are wrong.

Hed be a perennial pro bowler and second team all pro if he were on the cowboys

Moton hasn't missed a game since he became the starter in 2018 and hasn't missed an offensive SNAP in 6 years. I have seen you bring that up in multiple threads now and I disagree that injuries are a factor at all. Also, he has performed as our best O-Lineman pretty much each and every year, he has nothing to prove. He's been a pro bowl caliber Tackle his entire career, he has just played on some really shitty teams so he doesn't get national recognition. I have no idea why he isn't being restructured but injuries probably aren't it, and he is good and consistent enough to warrant an extension. For all we know Moton is planning on retiring at the end of his contract or something.

For real. Over K'lavon Chaisson. If our depth is as bad as you all say it is at Pass rusher, just think about how bad he must have actually been.

Hurney Pre 2009 was a good GM. 2009 and beyond, it was pretty bad. He still hit his first rounders (as was tradition) and made the Greg Trade, but his contracts, mid round selections, and FA signings were very very not good.

Fitterrer and Rhule were obsessed with RAS. Their philosophy was draft athletes and then teach them to play. Problem is they either couldn't teach or drafted guys who couldn't learn. Either way, you need to select good old fashioned football players at some point.

I hope he is in Adam Thielen's hip pocket all year long. They have similar play styles and have a similar story being UDFAs and practice squad year 1 guys. He can learn a ton from him.

He was a late 1st round selection. I can't say he was overdrafted relative to the talent surrounding him in that draft. He was taken roughly where he deserved to be taken, maybe a little later and in the early to mid 2nd, but that's splitting hairs at that point. We all hoped he would be the second coming of TD, but TD is a rare breed that took a good long while to actually become the TD we know and love thanks to a position switch and injuries. TD had become TD at Shaq's current age, but Shaq is no slouch and he's been a rock and leader for the defense through the worst stretch in our franchise's history. You just have to respect a guy so loyal to the sinking ship.

Looking back, I don't think there are 64 players better than Shaq in that draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NFL_draft Some made pro bowls like once but have been JAGs the rest of their careers and bounced around the league or are out of it now. I'd take Shaq over the likes of Vic Beasley, Laken Tomlinson, Jameis Winston or DJ Humphries - All pro bowlers at one point but not better than Shaq has been over the course of his career imo.

It wasn't a second, it was a 3rd and Dan Arnold. Fitterer wasn't gonna do anything with that pick so he got his money's worth with that worthless trade.

One I found from last year:

Some info from this year's "Beast" from Dane Brugler:

Shaq is a pro-bowl caliber player (even if he hasn't made one yet, like Moton) and absolutely worth where he was drafted. Anyone who stays with the team that drafted them for a decade across multiple coaching changes is not a bad player. He's not as good as Luke or TD, but they were All-Pro caliber LBers and he had to step up and fill their shoes. He's done admirably and I have grown to appreciate him for who he is as a player, and not who he isn't (Luke or TD).

Our DL is a who's who of "who?" after A'Shawn Robinson Pretty sure we go after DL and Pass Rusher with Waivers.

We traded back in teh 2nd and got a 2nd next year out of the deal, along with other draft capital, we saw a guy we rated #1 at his position sitting there who was going to be drafted by dallas so we used the later round draft capital to move ahead of dallas and get him. After all was said and done we didn't really lose anything from trading up to get him

Dude takes long strides so he doesn't get out of his breaks all that quick but he covers a lot of ground in a few steps. He's faster than he is quick. I hope he works out, kid works his ass off, so hopefully he can turn out good for us.

Because Reich's scheme was a net negative of 2. So if Bryce is worth only 1 and CJ is worth 2, Bryce is 1+-2=-1 CJ is 2+-2 =0. 0 is better than -1 but it's still 0. Also the line sucked and the receivers weren't open. His weapons and protection were all way better. Fitterer and co sold us fools gold last offseason.