Ricky Spanish

As of right now, 6 wins. Depends entirely on what we do in the offseason though.

I didn't give a single cherry picked example, I gave you a three game sample against playoff teams in which he did in fact, do enough to win. I'm not crowning him the franchise savior but I am saying he is improving and doing enough on a personal level to win. He can't catch the ball in the endzone for his WRs. He can't overcome bad inept calls by the refs taking points off the board. He can't be the running back that needs to hold onto the ball in OT. He can't be the defense giving up game winning drives in multiple games after securing a lead with less than two minutes to go. He does need to be more consistent and he needs to put more complete games together rather than some late game heroics, there are too many 3 and outs throughout the season for my liking. Hopefully that improves with more experience from both Bryce and Canales, but he isn't padding his stats in garbage time like Caleb Williams. He's played well. Not great, but well. C+/B- levels of QB play, which is a huge jump up from his F grade last year. He is attempting throws that Bridgewater never did, look at the passing charts from the games since he's come back compared to Teddy. Teddy was allergic to throwing past 10 yards down the field, but would uncork one bomb per game. Bryce is feasting in the intermediate levels of the field (10-20) with rainbows that keep falling into our receivers hands. I'm here for it. The hope is that the trend continues and the team puts more and more complete games together next year. But let's be honest, The defense is the biggest issue with the team going into next season. That needs to be addressed far more than finding Bryce's replacement. QB Class next draft is looking solid, if he shits the bed next year, I'm all for drafting the new guy.

I called between 4 and 6 wins and wanted to see improvement the second half of the season while being competitive in games we lose. We have done both things. That's all I wanted. This was a house money year for Dave and Dan. I am satisfied. Build on it, get to 7-9 wins next season while being in the fight for a wildcard spot. There's hope for the first time in years.

3 straight games Bryce had the ball in his hands at the end of the game and he personally did enough to win, but you say he didn't do enough? Do you want him to play defense too? With him on the field and under a minute to go, would that be him doing enough to win? Do you want him to be the running back so that he doesn't fumble the ball in OT after getting into FG range? With your logic, Allen didn't do enough in the playoffs back in the 2021 AFC championship game when the defense gave up a score with 13 seconds left on the clock. What a scrub, should have found a way to win.

I feel like this take is entirely disingenuous based on the WAY we've lost many of the games since he's been back as the starter. Bryce led a potential game winning drive in the 4th against the Chiefs scoring with under 2 minutes to go. Defense then let's Mahomes scramble for 30 yards into FG range for the game winner. Bryce did enough to win, Defense lost the game. The very next week - Bryce throws a TD with 30 seconds left on the clock putting the team ahead 23-20. Defense then allows a FG to tie and send the game to OT. Bucs get the ball first in OT and miss their FG attempt. Bryce leads the team within FG range to win it and Chuba immediately fumbles the ball. Bucs go on to march down the field and kick a FG to win. The very NEXT week - Punt pins us on our own 2 yard line and on 3rd down Bryce escapes a sack and safety to get the first on a pass to XL. Later on that drive he throws a deep dot to XL who drops the would be go ahead TD. Panthers lose. Dallas - He was ass AZ - good game all around, showed he could beat teams with his legs along with his arm. Stats weren't amazing, but the ground game was humming, and he still made some very good high level throws. Bryce has absolutely done enough for us to win MULTIPLE games this year that we ended up losing. Our defense is completely devoid of talent due to injuries and bad roster management over the past 5 years. That's our biggest issue at the moment.

I just see ass in that snapshot in time. Both sucked here. Rhule was a poo coach and Fitterer was a poo GM. Stop facebook stalking your exes.

OP is a silly goose

I had us at 4 wins minimum, 6 wins ceiling. It was a building year to try and right the ship and see improvement as the season went on, and I'll be damned if that isn't exactly what happened and I'm going to nail my prediction.

Sir, I don't know what you're on but Jalen Coker went undrafted.

I swear some of you people genuinely don't want to see Bryce play well, like at all. It's like If he isn't putting up 300+yards and 2 TDs he's playing average, but probably below average because he only threw for 150 total yards. It benefits us long term if he continues to grow and get better.

Order was 4,3,2,1 so Lance was 4 and watson was #1

His line is bad this year, but not as bad as ours last year. His scheme is also bad this year, but still not as bad as ours this year. We had multiple offensive schemes frankenstein'd into the abomination that was last year. His weapons are fine this year, even with injuries. Our weapons from last year have combined for something like 150 total yards across the league so far this season. Stroud is still better. I won't argue that. But jesus, last year was just so absolutely putrid across the board, Fitt should be hired again just so we can fire him again.

Only way "Going to get your guy" makes sense is if you fall ass backwards into a ton of high picks and use those picks to get the guy. For example, if we somehow land a top 2 or 3 pick and a QB desperate team wants to trade up with us so they can take Ward or Sanders, I say we take it. Get a pick for next year. Then in the 2026 draft you have two firsts to either use to draft a replacement QB for Bryce OR use the two picks in the trade package to move up and draft a guy. Then you aren't hampering your team for years and can still continuously build around the rookie using the draft.

... Ranking the worst mistakes for all 32 teams since 2020: https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/42989713/ranking-worst-roster-coaching-mistakes-all-32-nfl-teams-2020-watson-wilson-rodgers #6 was Jax hiring Urban Meyer. Rounding out the bottom 4: 49ers trading for Lance Jets Trading for Rodgers Broncos trading for and then extending Wilson Browns trading for and extending Watson

We look better and more competitive (Last game notwithstanding) than all of last year and the beginning of this year. We lost two of our best defensive players within the first few weeks of the season, and the guy we brought in to replace the pass rush void of both luvu and burns didn't make it onto the field until a few weeks ago due to some unfortunate post op setbacks. Bryce looks better than last year. The offense looks better than last year. The team as a whole looks better than last year. Vibes in general, seem better than last year. Let's see how much they improve next year and judge that. If all we're doing is comparing Canales' first year to Reich's first year - Canales is light-years ahead of where Reich was. Hopefully we can build on it. And if Bryce ends up being completely trash but the rest of the team improves, then the '25/'26 draft is going to be the time to draft a QB.

I assumed no one was going to read the article so I put the summary in the OP. Seems like no one read the summary either.

https://theanalyst.com/2024/12/bryce-young-is-closing-the-gap-on-c-j-stroud Before you all go bonkers, the article does go on to say stroud is still ahead, however bryce has made significant improvements to get CLOSER to stroud, whereas stroud has been worse this season. tl;dr Stroud is still ahead of young, but the Trajectories are going in different directions.

He has only played in 7 games and has 15 tackles and 4 sacks on the season, 3 coming last week. He signed a 2 year 18 million dollar contract costing them 10 million this year alone. DJ Wonnum has played in 3 games has 19 tackles and 3 sacks on the season. We signed him for a 2 year 12 million dollar contract costing us 5.4 million this year alone. It took him time to see the field but Wonnum is already better than Gross-Matos ever was with us. And he's cheaper. I am not losing sleep about losing him even if he had a good game last week.

XL is getting himself open by using his size and with some downright good routes. He just needs to work on finishing the catch. JT Sanders has been the biggest surprise for me in terms of immediate impact. I didn't expect him to do jack the first year or two just based on how TEs tend to progress in the NFL, but he has been a legitimate contributor in the passing game thus far. Hope he continues to improve moving forward.

Marshall was the '06 draft, the year before Kalil and Jarrett, so even further into the past.

Bradberry, Samuel, Moton, Jackson are our best most recent in 16/17/18. KK Short in 13 Before that you have to go back to 07 with Kalil, and even then we still took Jarret in the 2nd as well. The list above includes anyone between solid to good. The fact the rest were JAGs who were out of the league within a few years shows how bad we are at it.

Dude's route running has been legit good so far, something I was not anticipating this early in his career. I hope he hits the jugs machine for 3 hours a day over the offseason.