Krovvy

Relocate deez nuts onto yo chin.

In 2013 we had elite players throughout the roster and were winning. The only reason this will be easier to get out of is because we don't have a quarterback to pay, and we can dump a lot of dead weight easily as we're not trying to win.

It wouldn't make sense though, but this front office has been prone to stupid mistakes. The reason being is Moore is young, proven, and under a good contract. Finding a great receiver is very difficult. It usually requires a first round selection, half of the time outright busting. If we traded him for two first round picks it wouldn't be likely they we could just use one to draft another star receiver. The past offseason showed how difficult it is to find a receiver and what teams are willing to do when they don't have one.

Is this real 'cap hell' or is that not a term we use anymore? Imagine if we didn't trade Christian.

It's your choice. Dig a hole if you want to.

Nope, all you have to do is stop talking and arguing with people. Or alternatively make a one sentence statement.

Are you really trying to pivot? Just make a statement, or don't and never talk about it again. And no, I didn't want to trade for Watson. Before the rumors I thought it would have been way too much trade capital, but at least you get a proven quarterback. After the scandal I was completely against it and have referred to Tepper and Fitterer being insane for pursuing him.

Just admit the trade was horrible at the time and especially now, then move on.

It was terrible value. We get it, you liked the trade, supported it, argued with people, and are now so dug in you don't feel like you can admit it was stupid position to hold. You can just stop posting about it instead of continually trying to argue an indefensible position.

That trade was horrible in fore and hindsight.

What rookie do you think we give the number 22 next year?

Our fanbase has a weird man-crush on Christian. I'm almost certain he wanted out and asked to be 49er. Did he ever really engage with fans, or the community? I never really got the feel he liked the Carolinas, which is probably why he didn't spend much time here. The guy was quiet, keeping to himself.

I don't trust Fitterer as far as I could throw him. I just hope someone is left in the building that can scout.

Yeah, it's crazy how it works right? With or without.

Just remember, running backs are largely replaceable. The year we drafted him is a stellar example. 41st - Dalvin Cook (Minnesota) 48th - Joe Mixon (Cincinatti) 67th - Alvin Kamara (New Orleans) 86th - Kareen Hunt (Kansas City) 105th - James Conner (Pittsburgh) 119th - Tarik Cohen (Chicago) 182nd - Aaron Jones (Green Bay) And Austin Ekeler (Chargers) went undrafted. Also, I would like to add, that this next year is projected to be one of the deepest running back classes since 2017. As long as the Panthers can still scout, we're going to be fine.

This is what we had to look forward to with Christian: 5 Wins 5 Wins 5 Wins And some records broken when he makes it a full season with the team force feeding him the rock.

All of those players were around for the Super Bowl(s), or post even. They were all a part of the best seasons the Panthers have had. All but one was high character players that gave us an identity, and a chance to win any given Sunday. I didn't even mention Williams, Stewart, Beason, Kalil. We had an embarrassment of talent once upon a time.

Listen, we have to do what we have to do to beat the Texans to first overall.

They're not going to trade Burns or Moore unless the unthinkable happens and the team finishes outside the top five picks or so. If that's the case and they think they can leapfrog a team for a quarterback they covet, then you I could see them moving either player. Unlikely scenario, but it's one way it could happen.

And Josh Norman, Chris Gamble, Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy — a few good players, yeah.

It's about what I had imagined the Panthers would get. As long as he stays healthy, he can be the piece that pushes a team over the top. However, I don't think a lot of our fans are thinking with their heads. Since we drafted Christian the team hasn't won. He's been amazing at what he does, but stats don't win football games. There are guys every year found late in the draft or even undrafted that can produce at the running back position, and it doesn't come with a premium contract.

We won the Olsen trade and the Kelvin trade.

Just read through the thread. Yeah, yeah this is similar to the Gettleman years, where the GM is somehow above reproach. However, Fitterer has a gambler mentality whereas Gettleman was entirely conservative in his approach. Going into the most important off-season in over a decade with a man that, at best, was a fool's puppet.

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be similar with the Gettleman years? By that I mean half the fanbase will fawn over him, while completely ignoring blunders, or blame them on the coach. So far, he's not shown he can evaluate quarterbacks, has made some exceptionally poor trades, and has certainly been poor at cap management. We're the worst team in the league, and this is with the man trying to trade the house for cheap wins. Him egregiously going after Deshaun Watson this off-season should give every fan pause. The way he tried to hail Marry for Watson is enough for me not trust him. Do you really want a gambler? Because that's what the move for Watson was, betting the house on a man with entirely questionable moral character, that hasn't played the sport in what will be two years. I wouldn't trust him, and I don't see how the owner could as well, unless they're really two peas in a pod.

The most important position in sports, is the most important. God damn people, no wonder we can't have poo in Carolina.