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I mean, if you, or whomever you want to link to make your case for you, thinks so.

Yeah, I understand. Deferring to a perceived authority that shares your initial opinion is what most people do.

Yeah, he's better than a lot of NFL fans give him credit for. I have him a 1b at this point.

I never said he only looked to his first read. I said he did it more than any other quarterback in the top four not named Levis. Stroud knows he has all year to make the throw and that given enough time his receiver is going to come open.

Yeah, he watched one game and made a YouTube video. I get it. I watched all the games of all the quarterbacks and form my own opinions.

Out of all the quarterbacks both Stroud and Levis are the first read guys. It doesn't happen a lot since his receivers get wide open so often and he has elite protection around him. When pressured it happened quite often.

Yeah, I'm not buying it. He looks great in the pocket and those drop backs look fine to me. He's a long strider and has very fluid movement in the video. In games he can become flat footed, but so can Stroud. Stroud also has a weird tendency to drop back too far then hitch, but sometimes ends up flat footed himself while he stares down his first read for too long waiting for them to come open, leading to balls being overthrown.

What specifically?

Yeah, I think that's what Matt Rhule went with when he denied the trade up for Herbert and then again with taking Horn over Fields. Play it safe guys. The Josh Rosen's of the draft always need a front office ready to play it safe.

Pocket awareness, only Young could arguably be said to be better, but even so Richardson had a better sack avoidance rate. He is also much better within the pocket than Stroud, no question. Under pressure, Stroud's accuracy and mental processing faulters. Oh, and Richardson is much more likely to hit his second or third read than any of the top four quarterbacks before anyone brings that up again. He also looks off safeties and defensive backs constantly, getting them to turn their hips and commit before he throws the ball to the next read. At this point I'm kind of tired of hearing things about his quarterback traits that aren't true. He has accuracy issues stemming from his low body mechanics, but generally has a fluid upper body. That's his biggest fault. That's pretty much it. Every other quarterback trait he either has or excels at. Just the other day on Reddit I had a guy tell me Richardson was a "one read and go" quarterback that played in a "spread" offense. It's like no one is actually bothering to watch his games and instead are set in their minds about who he is. Through the process of watching all the top four quarterbacks' games (that I can find), most multiple times, I've went from having Richardson rated as my fourth quarterback I was hesitant to take at 9 to my 1b, depending on how I view size that day.

He processes very well though?

Josh Rosen.

Well, if we pick Bryce we can always troll our division rivals with pictures of kittens when we win.

A lot of teams have front offices that would love to build a 10 win, 50/50 out on the first playoff game. It's job security. I don't blame the front office if they plan to go with the safest pick. Though it might limit the team to the pre-Burrow Bengals or current Vikings level of play.

Will Levis threw a lot of screens from what I watched. I don't know if someone wants to find their passing charts for last year, but I would be Will's depth of through was much shorter. Also, Will Levis has played for multiple years in the college. In his first two years he had a 59% and 60% completion percentage, and then improved.

How abysmal is it though, for a first-year college quarterback, comparatively? Especially one with such awful receivers. One game I watched easily had 6 dropped passes, including a touchdown, with 2 more passes being questionable if the receiver should have caught it. If Richardson stayed in school another year, I believe his completion percentage would have improved to over 60% easily.

Yes, but front offices often make the safest choices possible as they're more concerned with short term job security than anything.

Richardson does have some elite traits that aren't physical, but not a lot of NFL fans have really watched him. His pocket management and movement would be elite on day one in the NFL. The way he can stand tall and move within a tight pocket is really astonishing. He goes through his reads well and makes good decisions. Statistically, from what I've read, he's much more likely than any of the top four quarterbacks to throw to his second or third read. Anyway, I for one would not be mad if he was the pick, from everything I've seen.

That probably has a lot to do with him being older, being a multi-year starter in college, and still being inept.

Good for him for playing in the Peach Bowl. Probably wouldn't be number one on anyone's board without it.

I don't think they would be happy after losing the Peach Bowl.

I have Bryce ahead of Stroud now. I just can't get over how Stroud handles pressure and his poor pocket management.

I've come to the conclusion that I have to put Young ahead of Stroud. When I was Stroud's games there's too many instances where I feel like his downsides won't be able to be masked or addressed in the NFL. On the other hand, when I'm watching Young play the only question I have is his size.

Ohio State fans are savage. Read this thread for takes from the fans he played for.