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One third of participants in a random street study tested positive. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/17/business/nearly-third-200-blood-samples-taken-chelsea-show-exposure-coronavirus/

There is a theory that lower level staffers at this lab may have been selling lab animals to the wet markets under the table.

So 85x higher than reported.

Considering how contagious this is and the population density there, you have to believe a ton of people died or were critical before authorities even grasped what was going on. Either that or they knew what the virus was and that it was out very early. If so, I wonder how they figured it out so fast? *sarcasm*

Yeah, I feel like there are going to be two different prediction models and response protocols in the end. 1) How does the virus spread in densely populated areas (NYC, Jersey, Italy) and what response is appropriate. 2) How does the virus spread in less dense populations (Sweden, much of the US) and what response is appropriate.

He’s pulling those numbers out his @ss.

I’m sure he has an açaí berry bill or a special colon detox plan to help.

He said “2 to 3% in terms of total mortality.” Total, not 2-3% of kids. Is the mortality rate even that high among the elderly?

Please get off Twitter. It’s way worse than Fox.

I can’t stand Oz and fox, but that’s not what he said. He said reopening schools would increase the overall death rate by 2-3%. The data is clear, the risk of death in people under 20 is almost zero. That guy on twitter who made that claim about oz is a tool.

It sounds like a lot of us will get it anyway. Now, or over the next 18 months. Anyway, are we sure a person can’t get it more than once?

Harvard, etc. I’ve been hearing this a lot lately. "By permitting periods of transmission that reach higher prevalence than otherwise would be possible, they allow an accelerated acquisition of herd immunity," said co-author Marc Lipsitch. “Conversely, too much social distancing without respite can be a bad thing. “ https://www.sciencealert.com/new-study-suggests-repeated-bouts-of-social-distancing-may-be-needed-until-2022

Everyone is saying multiple waves are inevitable. They expect on and off again quarantines to control the rate of infection, but we won’t get rid of this until a large percent of the population has immunity.

This 100%. Everything I’ve read (cdc, Harvard researches, etc) says this isn’t going away and 40%+ of the population will eventually get it. We just need to do what we can to prevent overwhelming hospital capacity. Many areas are already there, so how do we let people get back to normal with some restrictions. Waiting for the infection number to reach zero is stupid since that isn’t happening.

Agreed. There is no right answer. Right or wrong, the needs of the many will override the needs of the few.

CDC, FEMA have drafted a national plan to reopen US, report says https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/us/cdc-fema-national-strategy/index.html

Those were Harvard researchers, so no, they have no idea. This quote was interesting: ”Intermittent social distancing, while an immediate inconvenience, is actually delayed gratification in the sense that it will shorten the epidemic duration, as well as the total length of social distancing. It represents, the researchers wrote, “the only way to avoid overwhelming critical care capacity while building population immunity.” Basically, we need a lot of people to get the virus but at a rate the healthcare system can take care if them. Keeping everyone home forever won’t do this. Of course, off and on social distancing will leave a lot of people unemployed for a very long time. Long term unemployed people = people who can’t social distance.

There has to be a way to prevent a spike while allowing low risk people to venture out. Require face masks, keep 6ft from others when possible, work from home when possible, etc. These things completely depend on where you live, but doable in many places. I don’t know where you live, but I heard many places in Texas and other mid west states are averaging 50% icu capacity right now. Charlotte typically runs at 100% capacity from what I understand, so there is alway an issue here. Anyway, the bottom line is their is no way to guarantee safety. We need to understand and be ok with some controlled risk. The fallout from these job losses are going to get worse and could in the end be much worse than if we did nothing.

I get the sentiment but the analogy doesn’t really work. The point of flattening the curve isn’t that less people will get sick, it’s to prolong the amount of time it takes for the virus to move through the population. The same number of people are going to get sick no matter what we do. “Winning” is no longer an option. Given the fact that so many hospitals around the country are far below capacity right now, it doesn’t make sense to keep up these lock downs in many areas. We need smart measured ways of letting people go back to work, life, etc. This virus is going to be around a while. The economy can’t outlast it under the current restrictions.

A lot of countries can’t “print” more money like we can. If you don’t control your currency, you have limited options.

No doubt that’s true, but it’s going to be tough to do when 20-30% of the population is a homeless shelter.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/03/25/where-is-the-u-s-government-getting-all-the-money-its-spending-in-the-coronavirus-crisis/

I could see a situation where an infected animal(s) from that lab got loose somehow. Their secrecy around this thing seems overboard if it’s not an attempted cover up.

Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota family physician who is also a Republican state senator, told "The Ingraham Angle" Wednesday that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) guidelines for doctors to certify whether a patient has died of coronavirus are "ridiculous" and could be misleading the public. Host Laura Ingraham read Jensen the guidelines, which say: "In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID cannot be made but is suspected or likely (e.g. the circumstances are compelling with a reasonable degree of certainty) it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as 'probable' or 'presumed.'" https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines

Sure, but does the virus persist in the body and remain contagious for weeks on end? I haven’t seen anything about that. I didn’t realize you were in CO. Anyway, Im just saying if they all feel confident that their exposure has been limited via self isolation then they are prob ok. Who knows though. Just playing devils advocate.