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It's the #1 pick. They play and not sit or there is a problem. Young's issues will be solved on the field and not a clipboard. He was never a project and his biggest hurdle is game speed and getting rid of the ball faster, that is in game stuff. He was already super smart and they opened up the playbook for him in preseason practice. The 'injury' is why he didn't play so sitting him would be a giant red flag, I think they would IR him over that. Sitting isn't the answer anyway you look at it. Running the ball a hell of a lot more sure is but I am not sure we will see that soon.

Horn is constant soft tissue injury and Ickey is not playing in the scheme he was drafted for or the one Wilks put into place that he looked good in. One is luck and the other is on teambuilding/schemes. I'm not sure Ickey can make it in the current scheme long term but maybe. Or they could change the scheme since most of these guys excelled in what worked last year. Horn is looking like it just won't change at this point so that really is a coinflip. Most of the grind there was from the players everyone else wanted that went on to stud and him landing in the spot he has. These scouts have had a lot of wrong lately but Ickey can play better but it might not be for us if the trainwreck continues.

I said a few plays. OP said 'incorporated'. That is to combine not substitute by definition. That is what the OP said 'purposely incorporate'. I am also talking about the coaching calls which I assumed were calling the plays that have those reads preestablished. The QB just goes through the called reads on that play or audibles to the next set? Right? Coaches to QB who then works the play or audibles the called play. I am talking about the playcalling not spreading the ball around enough in the passing or running game. Both Thielin and Hurst are average at this point. It doesn't matter who is better, just who can get open and spreading the ball around helps that usually. Kind of like a half way effective running game. Spread the damn ball around. To everyone. Fug their skills or ability. Just go spread the ball around because this team doesn't have anyone that can justify not doing so and it would be helping itself if it did.

IDK. But comparing a rookie #1 pick to the Vet backup in week 4 is not something anyone wanted to do this year. Coping can be ugly and trying to make a safe space for a player is a very bad sign of what is going down. No one here went to their house and knocked on their door to talk about their play so unless they are stupid enough to come read any of this it shouldn't matter to the players feelings so in the end it's really about the posters feelings. Which is why we all come here I guess. There are no gold stars but there is some pie and lots of FU.

It's Dalton and he just looked better with the same crew and tons of hits/pressures. People like and dislike players all the time. Young is fair game like anyone else. Also going to be hard to be the ROY on the bench... Miami is looking like a Dalton game given how this year is going...

Given the situation, if this is for a PS spot they should have said so upfront.

Yeah RBs do a lot more than just run or they should and getting more RBs other than Sanders involved is a thing they also need to try again. I said short passing game, 1 Theilen (for you) and 2 Hurst in different directions with the rest going elsewhere. It's so easy. One is a WR and the other is a TE so I hope they do get different looks, that is the entire point of combining them on some plays. Look at the passing charts. There is plenty of small work being done to go around. I said a sprinkling, not heavy, would allow the others to maybe get open, looking at TMJ, or more effective deeper stuff to Chark. It's called spreading it around which is what the OP was talking about which tends to open it up for others which I am guessing was the entire point. How is rotating another player into the mix when Theilin already being option 1 isn't working well enough anything less than something to try? The more people getting receptions is a great thing, not a negative. It should open up somethings for others which is the entire point.

He isn't involved just like Hibbard isn't involved. Getting him involved would be calling plays for him. It's all semantics which is why I said it's the same thing. I thought that is why most plays have multiple reads. How many are they calling with just one read?

Didn't Wilks do all of this with a defensive background? In a short amount of time last year? Yes he did. Link

Use both and they should be using those plays just like they should be running more. It's such low hanging fruit left of the tree. Send them is different directions and let the QB get rid of it. Build them up, build up the pass protection and keep the D honest. Hurts' best days are behind him but even Walls could make those plays when he was way over hill. I don't see it as drawing up plays for Hurts as much as just getting him involved, which in the middle is the same thing. Short yardage and sprinkle him throughout a drive for an easy 4 to 6 yards. Do Thielen on the other side and see who gets open or has a bad matchup. Any player that can produce should get sprinkled into the playcalling and that includes the RBs.

He could absolutely be used in short yardage stuff throughout a game. And easy short yardage stuff from multiple targets where the ball gets out fast would sure put the rookie in a better spot. Everyone knew Brady was going to get rid of it quick and short and they still had trouble stopping him. It's not sexy but it works just fine.

Why is he calling plays at all? It's been a huge issue for him in the past and his OC needs to take those reins and soon.

Let the coordinators cook, Frank is in the way and it's been a problem with him in the past. Frank has been spiraling for 3 years and this looks like his worst yet. Step back and be a HC, not the OC. Run the ball a lot more. Maybe add a TE to that process. Look to what worked with the players in the past and adjust towards that. Or look at 0-3 and keep pounding I guess

Yet so many coaches are hell bent on their way while completely ignoring any facts that might help them improve if it gets in the way of their way.

That says he has an 82% chance of being injured (missing 2 qts in a game) and project to miss 3 games in 23...

Oline was good under a different scheme. Just saying...

Oline was improving at the end of the year so what did they do? Change the scheme away from their personnel's strengths and stopped running the ball. And that is with one of those being a top 10 pick 2 years ago. Freaking dismal approach.

We have on so many levels

It's like they didn't talk about the roster when they hired these coaches. What kind of Oline do you have? Power running. Ok let's go zone blocking and throw more than 60% of the time. They very obviously don't football which is why anyone can sell them on getting the job while they have no hope of qualifying the hire due to their complete lack of football knowledge. He needs someone to run the team and manage ownerships need to meddle. Then go get a GM and HC on the same page who do not have the excuse of failing big and just blaming who was there before them. They have none of this in house at this time.

Had the lead at halftime and ended up throwing 81% of the time in the game anyways...

Looking at the last game 81% pass and 67.98% on the year. It's working wonders for him so far I guess

Nothing said wasn't true. If nothing changes excpect more of that to be incoming

Some is poor drafting and some is poor coaching. I still think Chinn could be a decent player but he was never a fugging FS and I don't think they ever gave him a shot at SS. Either way, that is not a good trend to look at.