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Those guys didn't grade Byrce as a 3rd rounder so I don't really care what the 'experts' are spewing. The only QBs i have peeked at are Ward and Sanders. Both will get an NFL shot higher. There are also a couple of intriguing non first rounders. I'd still bet on 2 QBs at the top. Dalton is at his end. I don't see how more of that is an answer.

They can't afford even a decent QB in free agency and if they get a guy on a prove it year then they still should draft a QB. We will also be picking really high. If you don't let your OC HC draft his QB in that situation then just burn it all down and let different people do this thing. If it was a defensive HC I could see trading back and building the D up but that's not this situation. Go take a swing at a rookie QB, see what Canales can do with his pick of the litter and hopefully check off the most important position by far and that isn't debatable. If you have a vet on a prove it deal then a project not playing right away is also fine.

8 point from behind on Sunday going into the 4th... Also they would get behind slower if they ran more...

It's the NFL. If you don't have a QB you don't have your biggest need. It's plainly a QB driven league. Also blame Hurney for the one player away mantra he was known for that still lingers here after the endless retools. Yeah Hurney was driving the bus. That was confirmed. Until he gave his blessing the Rhule hire wasn't moving forward. Go read his take on that process at Rhule's house. Now the management after that is a big Tepper issue that's just morphed into whatever it really is this year with his PR awareness awakening. Morgan was here last year and some of the failures were his responsibilities last year as pro-personnel guy. Canales is just the dude they picked up because it was such an unwanted job with Young, Tepper and Morgan getting promoted. It's not a lynch mob. There are no torches. There are also no curves for wishful thinking coming from me. It's just calling it as I see it. If any of those people gets fired at the end of the year there are justifications at this point. I see positives and negatives but the tally I'm counting just isn't good right now. Edit: Hurney was Tepper's first real guy to be leaned on in a time when he was learning to be an owner. Stuff rubbed off on him and it's obvious if you look at that history. Young was such a 'one player away' move it was like Hurney's ghost was in the room. Hell it was like Clausen 2.0 but they had a 1st and no JR to nix that trade. Just saying.

I hope Jackson should be cheaper or more reasonable but all of those guys have agents in their ear. All agents also know teams overpay in free agency. A good chance can fall apart that easily. I hope we can keep him but I'm always prepared for the worst in the NFL as a fan.

Hurney taught him he needed a QB. He knew he didn't have one in 2019. Still Rhule was selling Tepper everything and anything he could get him to buy. That's a bad mix when the owner has no experience or knowledge of how any of that works and his new HC doesn't either. He had a hand in it because he is a meddler but Rhule was given overlord status here and he didn't want a rookie who he obviously didn't know how to coach up. It's complicated and still not 100% known as far as I know.

The 3 years where they did the QB hoping was when the HC was running the team like a school program. Again are you sure that was purely Tepper or the situation he created by hiring Rhule? I'm not. All of his hires are poor. Keeping Hurney to hire Rhule. Friing Hurney and hiring Fritterer who really was noting more than likeable at his old job. Hiring an old coach when he was heading into retirement and the entire hiring process that year was messy and ill conceived. Firing Friterer and promoting his assistant and then hiring his friend as the HC who has 1 meaningful good year as an OC with a help from a consultant and freaking Jim Caldwell, who also didn't get an interview anywhere else this offseason. That is all terrible hiring and not impatience. Waiting doesn't fix or help any of that. Hiring better and then managing them better sure would. Tepper can absolutely be impatient but his poor hiring and management practices are way more concerning and consistent.

Tepper hired Rhule. Hurney gave his blessing. Then he let Rhule run the place like it was a school program...even though Hurney knew that is not what the NFL is about. It is not uncommon for new HCs with to have old hands pushed on them for a year or 2. They were all bad hires done poorly. Also the dynamics of Tepper and Rhule are interesting. Rhule wasn't equipped to handle the situation and Tepper had no idea what he was doing. I think they both thought that was how the NFL worked lol. That's not impulsiveness but incompetence. Rhule needed scapegoats to keep his show going. It was Brady, the QBs and anyone else he could throw at Tepepr's feet. That isn't just about Tepper and it's not as simple as I think your making it out to be.

Talk about dodging a bullet. That also would have likely been 2 years of Clausen like Young got here. It's an easy top 5 all time bad trade for sure. Watson is up there too.

Bad hiring way over impatience for me. It's like with Brady. He should have been an assistant to an old hand for a year or 2. That's bad hiring. You can't wait for 3 or 4 years for a guy to hit what he should hit at the end of year 1. That's just bad hiring. Do we know it was DC and do we know it didn't include something like 'I need him to reset and sit behind a pro for a while'? I love Young being sat but I don’t know how all that actually happened. He needs to show improvement or I would be happy to see him gone. He wasn't a good hire. He was a Tepper special hire for sure. So was Reich and Rhule. I need to see him adapt the rest of the year. Get away from what he wants to do and do what he needs to do. He hasn't done those things the last 2 weeks and that's not a good sign to me.

Fields looks like the kind of QB that will figure it out late if ever. He doesn't need to be starting but sitting for a while and doing a reset. Baker had his here, rock bottom and then sat. He isn't a good option this year or next year as a starter IMO. If he was a year or 2 along his career trajectory and a free agent who would sign a prove it deal? That's his sweet spot. Those guys need more time and need to be away from their rookie contract and drafted expectations. And how will he like a high draft pick at QB? He isn't going to be a franchise QB and not all of those guys handle it as well as A Smith did in the many instances where his team upgraded over him.

It also good that Smith and Baker like DC. Still I just found that funny. My issue is with his history and what he brings on game day it might be 5 years instead of 2. That was what DC is and a long wait to see if another project developes is a hard sell given the recent history here. That was the rub with him as the hire for me. He is really raw and patience is difficult to scrape together without seeing improvement sooner than later. It is the not for long leauge. Hiring the right guy at the wrong time would be a classic Tepper move.

Wilson in his 7th year when he became the QB coach? Geno Smith himself? Baker for 1 year who also had 3700 yards his rookie year? That lots of great QBs? I guess Hasselback was there when he become the offensive quality control coach but given he was the USC assistant strength coach the year before I assume he was doing a lot of on the job learning. Geno is funny.

No thanks. Just play Dalton into retirement and let the WRs get better reps the rest of the year.

RIP TMJ. Good luck in your next profession.

Does anyone want to see the team go run first forever or just this year? I was assuming that is just damage control for the many errors that put the team where it is and not a desired long term strategy. Run heavy if you stink, have a rookie or just match up well that way. Sunday was 2 of those things was always my take. A young QB on a rookie deal without a mega trade is a giant start. It's a 5 year cheap window to build the hell out of the team like using a cheat code. Then shave away to afford the QB when you see how to do it and still win. Freaking KC did it with cheap WRs lol. Anyways, if you miss try again. Washington is this year's winner.

I called Clausen a bust after watching his school tape too. It was ass yet a lot couldn't see how weak his arm was at ND. It was bad. Hurney tried to trade up into the first but couldn't find a partner thankfully. That was the draft they spent their 1st on E Brown in the 2nd the year before lol. The trade up to #1 was a massive dumb idea. A couple of spots is expensive enough but throwing in a legit WR and those picks was too much. If we had Stroud we would be wasting 2 or 3 of his rookie deal years. 1? Ok 2 or 3 or 4 is just a freaking waste of it all. That's when you want to build the team up so when you have to shave some talent off due to that massive QB contract you have options and ideas of where to best do that. Can't do that when you already spent a big chunk of those picks.

A Edwards. 3rd round QB convert to WR Hurney special. Clausen in the 2nd lol.

He isn't benched so I would say not even in his own draft class but he is also really bad.

Dang yup 3rd. I get and agree with that it's just such a sweet setup for a rookie to fall into when Corbett goes down again. Maybe next year.

They have a 4th round rookie making the calls on the D. That was always a loaded self serving argument, one that I hope is dead now. Anyone should look good between that much expensive talent. And I think guys will keep that up. They can get help from either side or just be the help to either side. It's not like they will find themselves on an island in that situation.

I hope anyone playing center looks decent between those OGs. Great setup for a rookie to step into also.

Evero signed a 3 year deal in 2023 so he is still here another year on paper? He also has had some personnel choices/input with 2 different offensive coaches. He isn't the key culprit there but he had some fingers in the pie they baked. He was always overhyped in Denver, he didn't build it and the unit took a step back when he took over. 3/8 to 14/7. Payton also said no thanks, as an offensive HC he had some good Ds so that carries some weight. Meh, plenty of other stuff to talk about. Not sure why a professional protecting their career is surprising. He tried to leave and they blocked it. The entire 'the unit is so bad and hurt there is no way to evaluate Evero' echoes of last year's big BS take. What a damn mess.

Last year was a new low in brutality from every angle. At least the infighting was entertaining I guess. This year there is hope that it's almost over (the all time low) and just getting back to normal bad is refreshing...which is a whole bag I'm not unpacking.

IDK what to expect with Young from the team moving forward but until he is gone or we know the real plan is I'm not getting my hopes up yet. Stan's minds are not worth wondering about IMO. That went out the window when they starting stanning.