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Everything in the NFL can be turned around in 2 years and playoffs in 3. You need good people to get there and ownership that doesn't fug everything up along the way. Free agency and the draft allow any team to restock talent..if they can find it and coach it.

He lost huge chunks of his views by this point. He panders to the players and rails agaisnt owners doing their worst. He is a dinosaur that survived the meteor but is dying in the dust. He really isn't wrong here which makes it that much more painful. Like even Florio can see it dang

The only people I see happy about this are the wilfully blind, those trying to keep sane & positive, a Panther employee and a bunch of ex-players. Pretty much a huge whomp whomp. And the 49ers hired the firm when the owner's son/CEO was exhausted with internal strife link about Lynch testing York. Said they were hired by York and an executive. Strangely enough not one mention of Sportsology being in the room. None here either but a few good quotes on the power dynamic walking into that mess. After all of that how can anyo e compare their process with ours? They hired externally, John was on the broadcast of the Falcons playoff game shortly before. They were hired as a pair where Lynch went to meet Shanahan before they both agreed. Sportsology is the only thing they have in common that I can see, everything else was different. Tepper is not ready to change yet is the most obvious difference while York was.

Yeah I called Fitterer what he was from day 1. Well liked, worked with very good people but he wasn't one of those good people just well liked by them. Seattle actually got better when he left. The reality is that no one is giving a free pass here anymore. The Panthers are the offical worst team and is getting that treatment now. That's the difference. I get the poo exhaustion but bad news, it's pretty much all that's left so it won't be going anywhere anytime soon. I expect an inverse of last year's blind optimistic fantasy. It's going to be a long year again and I am not sure when it will ever stop.

He hates to lose and has zero aweness of his flaws.

Had me believing he is just as bad as he looked. I dispise having him in a position to make a fool of himself.

The only reason the Panthers were talked about so much last year was the trade up to #1. It forced everyone to talk about the Panthers leading up to the draft and they all mailed it in. All star staff blah blah blah. The more obvious that the Panther liked Young the more they mailed it in. Face it. Last year was forced and now the only stuff to talk about is that everyone knows Tepper is running the worst team in the league. If you think that negativity will change you should just check out for a few years because thisbsituation is the realiry for a long haul.

This team has never had a good GM. Yes Hurney hit on those guys and still built losing teams. As a GM the record of the Panthers under him was 104-121. I never proped up Gettleman in this so not sure why you are on that kick. They all stink regardless of some of their positives. Gettleman drafted CMC and he was still a chode. Looking like yall have some selective memories on Hurney from the current trauma.

JFC the only pie we get as Panthers fans is dogpoofootball pie. He literally help built a 2 win team, was in the room for all of those awful decisions and then just game of throned his way to GM. Get the fug out of here with that and your alt account. Loved Dan the person and player but he is dog poo at this point as a Panther employee. I hope he enjoys his pay while licking both Tepper's shoes and asscracks.

No he didn't hit on his steals lol. Kalil and Gross were great but the others were all over the place on the oline, even if Otah is lumped with those 2. He drafted Mathis but changed schemes in his rookie preseason (long time ago but I think that's when they pulled the plug) because it was very poorly done and basically obsoleted a good lineman for his term here of 3 years where he went off to become a first team pro-bowler. LBers were his best work so I agree on that. He was always chasing that one thing that he thought would make them contenders every year. His contracts were a big issue also. The Peppers fiasco. The 2010 and lockout missfire. 2.0 took a team that went to 4 out of 5 years in the playoffs at the preseason that was an 11-5 team and then built the beginning of the no win Panthers they are today. He gave Tepper the thumbs up on Rhule. That's just what I can remember but I feel there is a lot more to add.

He tried to draft Clausen in the first but couldn't find a trade partner... Most of those good 1st round picks came from coaches and such in the first, those picks they debated and stumped amongst themselves. He just saved the picks he wanted to make until the 2nd pick which is why so few of those worked out.

$17.8 average on that 4 year deal Link. Suleiman decided to push most of the money back into the last 2 years because he could just make another deal and push more dead cash to another year. If he would have given Burns a deal similar in structure then it's like Burns having a cap hit of 60 million his last 2 years...

Morgan just game of throned Suleiman even though he was the talent expert in that throuple Burns is my guess. Suleiman must have really screwed up behind the scenes on that one which would explain a few things.

Thielen was the only good signing, Bell was OK and the rest were awful and should be gone soon. Even the deals they did with Bozeman was bad. Corbett is a 11.6 dead cap hit on his last year and he only played in 4 games this year. There is plenty of dead cap on the way and Suleiman was a big part of all of that.

Go look at the losers they signed last season and their dead cap because that is also going to hit soon.

Yes men have a shelf life of how long they can avoid blame. Suliman was pure trash.

Best thread in forever. Thank you

Lol there goes meaningful change. Dave still wants wveryone to have access to him so SSDD.

Caldwell is Littlefinger but spot on otherwise

2 PSLs up for sale for $500 to pay for the sale fee and taxes. Hoping for a nostalgic idiot to buy them that's wherre I am at. Nothing has meaningfully changed.

It's honestly probably just Tepper pushing more analytics into the system. He doesn't see the issue as player evaluation problems but some number his people need to find to make it all work. It's been a common theme with him trying to mine the magical numbers that help turn his failures into success. No idea what SS is doing anymore. The contracts have looked like crap after the Moore extension so maybe not having him handling contracts anymore is a good thing.

We also know the pro personnel he signed as the pro personnel guy and it was awful. There is nothing else to offer because that is all we are given and if people are already making up cope then it needs to keep being said apparently.

They need to film him doing that to the scouting department and it finally becomes worth it.

It was posted else where but OCs don't last more than 2 years in the modern NFL. Either they don't produce in a short time while getting fired or they do and get hired away. They should have just hired Steichen as the HC last year before letting him get away. They would still be in the playoffs but they decided to keep the defensive HC that just nosed dived his playoff team the second half of the season.