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Greatest coach, not greatest GM. That's where they have struggled. Also, Fields was gone off the board so we will never know if Bill would have gone with him.

They obviously can't identify talent or how to use it. It's pathetic that Daley is playing LT and isn't the worst out-of-position Olineman.

Lol. Fitts is such a weak GM candidate but it was all Rhule according to some. Go look at some of the people we looked at when Hurney was here, then when we were looking for a GM to be under Rhule and then at some of the options if none of those blunders had happened...Fitts is part of the problem. Another weak hire to go with the rest of the weak hires since the '5 year plan' was announced. We hired a longtime 'good working friend' out of an organization that can't win with a franchise QB this year because they made such bad personnel and draft choices in the last 5 years. All of this is Tepper's fault for not firing Hurney with Ron and hiring someone competent, leading to a chain of incompetence we are seeing organizationally wide ATM.

One of the biggest issues isn't what w lost but what stayed. Hurney built a horrific front office for Rhule, which is also how we stepped in that pile and contract. We should have lost more honestly, we could be a lit better off or just a different mess. But at least it wouldn't be this garbage of staff almost throughout.

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There is just no indication we will see 'sh%t together' in Pantherland with a bad front office and bad coaching staff anytime soon. Almost everyone needs to be tossed out except Dan and Sulliman as far as I can tell. Hurney built this house and it is Dookiebread almost completely. Burn it down. I have no idea about the future of the Saints but at this time with these people in the building, I'm not betting on the Panthers. It's bad here and just blaming Rhule misses the pack of incompetence hiding behind him. Fugem all at this point.

One positive I can say about this crew is that they shattered the Rivera myth that CBs are hard to find. We have found them everywhere from a top 10 pick to that same value in the 3rd or 6th next year. CBs are out there, we just used to not have a clue what we were looking for. And yes, the Horn pick was bad value. QBs and LTs are immensely harder to find and cost a lot more to aquire than CBs.

I don't know who helped with those values but Slater is a MF beast. How we didn't have him higher is a huge issue going into next year. No way are our oline values are correct. I also wonder if this is how this played in to a WR in the second with all those guys on the board. I know Brady liked him but if we had those olinemen higher it should have been harder to make that pick. Not good but a great point.

I would say Slater again but I honestly don't don't think any rookie would thrive with the Panthers coaching. Mac would have been ruined in this offense. At least Fields could have run for his life, hardly the stuff of dreams tho. Parsons would have been another D player that would have resulted in SSDD. Our D can't save how bad the O is in personnel and especially coaching. At this point I'm not sure anyone could save this mess but it should have been Slater 10 out of 10 times with the ridiculously foolish Darnold trade.

Most of those players had some flashes of positives, not at all worried about them as players in itself (talent & ability). Carter looks like a backup at best but that is who he always was. Other than that, it looks like coaching and staff decisions has put everyone in bad spots. I just can't put it all on those guys, crap rolls down hill and they are at the bottom in the hierarchy of poop rolling. And yes coaching also includes working on cleaning up player techniques. This isn't to make excuses for the players. The coaching has been so bad, especially on the O, that it is just too hard to know how much the players played a part in the pooshow. The coaching is awful and headed backwards. Snow has shown positives but he has had no good answers for 2 big men up front getting run over, that's a huge issue. He also doesn't appear to be able to adapt to that challenge. That is very bad. I was excited for the positives he has shown but just 2 DTs up front has worked less and less as the year has gone on. He is looking like a failure if he can't change with the games we have left.

Heiniche is not the most durable QB. People acting like he will take WTF to a SB is kind of funny, maybe back in the 80s. Injury History Date League Injury Details Jul 19, 2016 Non-NFL Pedal Ankle Fracture Heinicke tore his left ankle in mid-July 2016. Aug 31, 2017 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 2 Heinicke suffered a concussion in the preseason finale against the Miami Dolphins and was placed on IR Dec 23, 2018 NFL Arm Elbow Sprain Heinicke suffered a left elbow injury during Carolina's Week 16 loss to the Falcons. He was placed on IR Jan 9, 2021 NFL Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain Heinicke suffered an AC joint sprain during the wild-card loss to the Buccaneers. Nothing was too serious as he was able to finish the game He is having a great year for him, still 16 TDs to 10 INTs in his 4th year is hardly anything to put on a pedestal. PJ is more fun to watch than some of the guys in his tier but I have little belief he can win or win constantly. If he played 4 games in a row things would get real ugly with the film being out there. Then again, it doesn't take much film to predict this offense at this point. It's a place for talent to go and die, not thrive. Edit: LOL he is 28. Just lol.

I want to win but when we get to a spot like this, I'm torn. I won't lie, I was cheering for a QB pick in 2010. There was no hope, I just wanted the pain to end and I did not want another 2010 year. By this point in a season it's about improvement or draft pisition. We haven't seen improvement in some time so...

Looks to have, and I agree. I just can't confirm yet. We will know next week for sure, the last winnable game

Umm, don't stop on our account Rhule. Follow your heart and take your staff with you. Tepper, make it happen and save us from a lame duck coach year in 2022.

Cam can at least score in this pathetic offense, we are tied to Sam for 19 mil next year and he couldn't even do that for 3 straight games. With less than 3 fugging weeks on the team. Even if Cam is a shell of himself, he is still a better QB than the guy we pissing all of that capital away on. No QB is going to look good until the higher up issues are addressed. Anyone who doesn't look there first is football illiterate or has another agenda. Now that Sam is off the field, QB play isn't enough for any of the staff to hide their massive failures behind.

I know you are using heavy sarcasm but it is a legitimate path in this mess. Another year for this crew to eat their 2021 decisions while giving them a prove it year that very likely results in us with a top 3 pick. I'm not sure how attractive this job would be to a new HC with lack of cap and picks while looking at the players we have cap invested in for 2022...it's ugly. In no way do I want to see this, I'm just saying we might see it. A bridge QB would be an improvement to me from Sam 2022 and I'm not convinced that a rookie QB here would be a great situation even if it would feel more exciting than other options.

Hell if I know what to expect from this team anymore. And it not tanking if they are in the top 10 if the team is actually trying to win, it's just failing.

Who wants to stay and who moves on is going to be interesting. It's still to early for deffinates but it sure feels it's all headed that way.

This just in, the Carolina Panthers remain fugged. Next up, why whiskey loves you more than this team and tries to kill you slower.

Ron Rhule

It's all about the trainwreck at this point for me. I'm not taking it seriously but I'm not looking away lol

That is assuming a lot. I agree with the premise but it discounts that the D is falling apart every week while the O is at least scoring. It's all headed in the wrong direction and 'Doubling Down' doesn't sound like the answer. It's not over for sure but it's looking bad, I wouldn't bet on that outcome at this point.

Yeah, I'm just trying to keep my anger down until we see these last few games. I don't know what Rhule has to do to justify a 3rd year, plenty of reasons to not have one. Tepper can't be happy with any of this. We will see.

The HC makes more sense because you know you are getting 2 years. I wouldn't mind Daboll at all.