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I'm sure some do but then why would we hear about it if it was true? I gave the examples of Bezos' and Gates' exes. They both are giving chunks away and living beyond comfortably. They also were not the driving factor in that wealth being made (not to make light of any contributions they made in those mirages because I literally don't want to know the deets).

Except I never said anyone would complain less. Thielen sat down for an interview at a very unfortunate time. I get he is just doing his professional thing but there is a lot of crap being tossed and it looks like he is catching it. Thielen doing an interview just brings it up again. People are complaining because the team is bad and the PR is a target for personal fun or relief or anything else people want to dump into the Panther shaped hole in reality that is this place.

Did you not read the post before mine? Cynicism being well earned. No I didn't listen to it or any of the other fluff. I also wasn't speaking about this specific link since I never referenced Thielen or the article in my post. The fact a WR from this team went and sat down, I presume, for an interview is Panther related and looks to be getting plenty of spillover from what I was talking about. So much so that on the first page it was being discussed about everyone 'should say absolutely nothing' which would encompass Thielen's interview individually and the Panther's organization in general. And even how absurd it is to 'shut down the Panther's PR/Marketing department' on page two even though as you state it was obviously not a direct PR department product. So maybe take your own advice next time? IDGAF about the article and wasn't commenting on it which I thought was obvious by not referencing it in any direct way.

Maybe talk more about Brown or the usual long shot to make the roster fluff? After last year's massive PR bungles focusing on Young as little as possible would be a mercy to everyone. I get there isn't a lot to positive to focus on until they start winning games, or not, but that's kind of the point of the people who see that department as a endless crap pump. Making fun of what they usually put out is way too easy and it's about the only entertainment they are providing anymore until something actually changes.

When you can buy about anything and have done about everything what's left but an endless ego trip?

They have never even had back to back winning season even with Cam so what do you expect? It's all about the winning. The Ravens have had winning seasons the last 6 of 7 years and actually won a SB. Seattle has won 11 of their last 12 seasons and a SB. Interesting enough neither have had 6 losing seasons in a row. I'm not sure it will ever be the loudest crowd but you are also forgetting the environment JR fed for years up to the Cam years. Tepper is terrible and done little past a VR panther but JR threw a very bland game day experience. I was in Tampa last year and they made the entire game entertaining for the fans even if the teams were not good most of the game. Blaming the fans for a poor product when it's never been good enough long enough is just BS.

They won 15 games that season. Fans were going crazy as the year progressed. Cam just fed the crowds like he always did. I went to every playoff game that year and you are absolutely wrong. Win and fans come out of the woodwork to get wild. Crap take. 6years of losing and a 7th loaded up is the fan problem in that stadium. Pre-Cam was the wine and cheese crowd but they hated the winning crowd. Too loud and they stand too much. Winning changed those dynamics as quickly as losing did afterwards.

The city people will pass it and then get voted out hopefully, i doubt they will back down with how it's alligned currently. Tepper deserves elected officials being petty with him and using him as the springboard to get elected in the next cycle. Knowing Tepper he will fug up his side of the deal somehow and make an epic poo show with the other side out for blood. Sounds fun, glad I don't live anywhere near Charlotte.

I think you are under valuing the catching and blocking. Ickey was a project due to his pass blocking needing a lot of work and he went in the top 10. Being a project isn't bad in itself. It's just going to take some time after he heals. Therefor a luxury pick who is a bit of a project, needing work. He isn't close to a starter when healthy. At least he doesn't look like one to me yet.

My take was don't try and overcompensate for a bad pick/situation. Two wrongs don't make a right. That would have been a perfect time to bring in a Moore type receiver and say 'Cam you are a beast but you need to work on your throwing mechanics'. Unfortunately by the time all of that happened it was games away from disaster and too many wasted years.

But we can't judge until they hit the field. /s Not all but yeah there is some judgement. The Not For Long league loves the long build while ignoring the current season. It will be entertaining. And the bit about the HC not caring that the WR is limited was reminiscent of DG talking about KB/DF and how they just needed a big guy for those high balls.

The irony of your take on a football forum is hilarious. I comprehend exactly what you are.

Yes because nothing happens in the offseason. What a masterful take. Thankfully all the football stuff happens from September to February. Wait didn't they just have something recently? Even an Injury and some contract drama? Nope, couldn't be. There is nothing happening at this time of year according to you.

Look into that industry. And you also don't have to pick up the phone. 7 years and most debt is uncolectable as long as you never talk to the collectors. The collectors have so many illegal practices that an entire sub category of lawyers specialize is sueing debt collectors. It's a lot. To make billions in that industry makes it a lock. It's not an emotional statement. In the end the money doesn't care and neither does he. There are people that make a lot, millions upon millions, and then there are billionaires. If they didn't win the big loto chances are to make it to that level takes a certain kind of personality. The what they did to get there does matter. All of this is also documented if you want to take thr time to Google it. The credit industry is interesting and is very predatory.

It just sounds like you understand how that industry works on the surface and very little else. To become a billionaire in that field absolutley makes him a scumbag. It's why the NFL didn't like him. The litigious nature of their industry from their common practices is know if you care to learn about it. The NFL new and it was enough for them to force it to Tepper even though he had a higher bid I believe.

It's just more of the same. It's been talked about and noted for months around here. That take can't be a surprise at this point.

Dealing with the now and building a foundation to build a future upon would have been a great sign of change and a serious attempt to turn this thing around. Those guys that were all fired were also pitching the future. Rhule's 7 year plan and last year's platoff team while taking a still weak NFCS were just more of the same. You already answered you own question. 2 win teams don't usually develop projects well, stable and well run teams do. That is not close to the Panthers at this time. The future doesn't matter if it looks like the recent past for them.

Why wouldn't we if we were right the last 2 years? It's no longer a mystery even if you add in the element of unknown. Quacks like a duck, walks like a duck then it's a duck. Betting against the current Panthers is just good odds unfortunately. I get wanting it not to be true and fanning how you want but it's hard to go against the history they have built in the last 6 years. Tepper hires poorly while dragging his last mistakes into the new mix. The mix of personnel to scheme is yet again questionable. The draft was not as different as it needed to be from the recent drafts. The list is right there, we are all just talking what we see until they prove it. IMO this try isn't much better than the last, at least the HC will at least try which is nice. It's not the easy option, it's the obvious option.

Yeah the trade forced an ugly year 2 we are seeing unfold but next year is a completey different situation.

That was Hurney not Fritters and his one player away from winning strategy which was TB.

It's more like undercooked chicken being served. 'Just send it back, it'll be fine once they finish cooking it'. If they gave you that first and you eat the second then it's on you as much as them when you get sick or at the best massively disappointed. They obviously can't freaking cook. Just enjoy being sick to disapointed, there is nothing you can do about it anyways. That is the logic you are seeing applied to Young.

It's a prove it year for him. Let him prove it and pay accordingly if it's worth paying. He is making 10 mil? That's too much for a guy with 1 1000 yard season.

Kiss of death lol