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Ok, that's a possibility but even with the GM search our options were not top shelf and the best one walked away before the end. With the lack of meaningful NFL ties, the massive need for NFL experience and the crap position we are finding ourselves in I'm just having a hard time believing this will end up in more than a lame duck year for a staff that can't keep their heads above water in the NFL. I'm also not sure firing Rhule changes some of that, we are not a desirable location in 2022 for a lot of reasons. Love the work sir, it just sounds like we need a half court shot from guys that can't make a layup with a flat ball. (Hope that fits because I no nothing about basketball)

Since Darnold is the only QB under contract for next year, the HC is on the hot seat...who TF would take our OC spot? I can't imagine some of the more competent options flocking to come here in those circumstances. I just seeing it having to be an in-house promotion. Same with the Oline coach, who with a brain would come here with what we have and what we can allocate to improving on that unit?

We broke him worse than NJ, it would be a complete disaster. I'm not sure how they avoid it at this point. That dead cap is a huge chunk we need elsewhere, like in any playable player or 2 lol

Nope. These dummies thought 2 injury prone and mediocre olineman fixed their line and waiting till the 25 year old not good enough to start on this line I the 3rd. That's awful. That unit was a bigger need than CB, even with out horn and the rest of the traded ones. We had spent on nothing but D players the years before. If we would have drafted 4 olinemen it wouldn't have been an overreaction. The failure was in evaluation and they went after their guys leaving the team crippled by that poor evaluation.

We have had years worse than those. If we lose out and bring Rhule & Sam back there is zero indication it couldn't get worse, especially with cap limitations combined with draft option limitations.

This team could be winning this year but they made huge mistakes in personnel in the offseason. Even then a growing staff could sneak a few more wins with this roster but that is clearly not this staff, or at least any thing they have shown to date. As year 2 stands, this crew is still not NFL competent. Not close. It actually appears to be regressing somehow as the year goes on. Gilmore was a good trade, Henderson trade only looks bad because of the Sam trade, which combined with his wasted 5th year option is disastrous. The draft was mostly wrong and showed they don't understand value or need. No one has said it but we might have to keep Sam and Rhule due to cap restrictions, making next year a bye week year for me. That is as horrifying to me as allowing this crew to trade away future value again.

Rivera strung some wins late in year 2 to earn a year 3. You are dead right about him coming out conservative again and going Riverboat to save his job and earn a year 4. I haven't seen Rhule do a anything yet to earn a year 3. There is still some games left but it's looking bleak for him at this point, which is an improvement from Sam's last start where it looked like he might not make it to the end of the year.

With a seasoned DC. Sign me up please.

Ohh there is a lot more pain than just the roster. It's going to be an interesting 6 months for the team.

Just take everyone with him like he did when he came here. Do they need a GM type person also?

A billion dollar team and we keep employing a pack of fugging idiots. Yay. It's like watching drunk toddlers playing chicken with semi-trucks full of gold. I think if we all knew more about what goes on in real time, we would have walked away years ago. I like CMC but his time as a RB is over. Dude has enough skills to transition into another roll possibly. If not, it's just the Panthers wasting more talent.

Lol ok, I didn't pick up on it. To be fair, most of them are terrible anywhere so i guess Rhule got what he envisioned lol. Positionless mess

We had a OG at LT, our backup LT at RG, Elf at C (who is a LG) and at one point BC at LG who is a LT. That is 4 guys playing out of their positions. I guess Elf played C his rookie year but we signed him as a LG. This staff is terrible and has been making terrible personnel decisions.

So where will we play him out of position like we did with 80% of the line last week?

Sadly true. It's the FU that keeps giving new FUs.

This was already covered in another thread. Hurney approved of Rhule and Tepper went along with it. They were both in the room and in on it. As for the contract, tell me it doesn't look like a Hurney contract? What was the percentage of fault on the contract? No idea but Tepper did allow it to go down like that regardless but Hurney was right there giving his all. https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/174094-keep-fitterer-and-morgan/?do=findComment&comment=5667984 From the introductory press conference. David Tepper's own words. And Marty's going with his toughness and his questions and we're about halfway through the interview and Marty Hurney starts melting down. And you could Marty and he's like 'I've gotta get into recruiting mode now.' So Marty goes from total interview mode to putting on the recruiting mode. And Steve and I looked at each other and looked at Marty and didn't say a word, and we just all went into recruiting mode because we knew we had something special.

The coaches pay is just a normal expense on the P & L. So more expense would just result in more offset of the income at the end of the year. I'm not sure on the cash flow of the organization, I haven't heard how they operate that side at all. It could be there as normal operating activity can cover that, income & expenses, or he could keep all of the cash working in an investment elsewhere instead of sitting idle and put it back when needed. Lots of ways to run the business side and completely depends on how he wants to operate. Either way, if he put money into the organization then it's just equity he can take out when he wants and however fits his tax planning.

This entire staff is a Hurney level product, all of them.

That is an easy fix and a huge part of why we ended up with Fitts.

OMG, Tepper wanted Rhule but he also wanted Hurney to hold his hand during the process. Both are true, Rhule is a Tepper and Hurney guy, which makes all the other hires including Fritts an extension of Hurney and Tepper. The percent of blame really doesn't matter because Hurney should have already been fired by that point. Tepper fugged all of this up but he had a lot of help along the way. IF he learned anything he needs to have learned why when you clean house, you clean the entire thing or this is the kind of mess you make and the time you waste.

I don't have that trust in him. I am very concerned about that guy helping with the next coach search. His positives are heavily outweighed by his negatives. We need a better GM before we hire the next batch. The fact is we hired him to be a GM under Rhule, that eliminated all of the good GM options off the top form the get go. I have no idea why people rally behind the guy, he is no different than the rest of the staff. He just seems like the new Hurney here.